I made this comment at Denny Burk’s blog.
This video with John Piper and Eric Metaxes – is very, very good !!
All the pro “gay agenda” people who read this blog (Denny Burk’s blog on the article about the New York Times Article on “Young Conservatives that Defend Traditional Marriage”) and comment here should watch the whole thing – they talk about Bonhoeffer and meaning of Romans 13 and submission to government, his theology, Nazis co-opting the church in Germany, plot to kill Hitler, relation to racism in the 50s-60s, abortion and so “called same sex marriage”.
Piper was clear, “so called same sex marriage does not even exist” and “we have trained a generation to be afraid of being looked down on and being thought of as mean and ‘right wing’ (the raised eyebrow”) – we are afraid to speak out because we don’t want to be thought of as “right wing”/mean/bigoted/ ugly/ not cool / like what lot’s of people thought about the late Jerry Falwell, etc.
Eric was so clear that if same sex marriage goes through and becomes the law of the land; then Christians are going to be forced to not even give our opinion in public that it is always sin and always wrong. That has already happening in Australia and Canada.
He pointed out how our government right now is just forcing businesses to comply with the abortion / insurance issue with “Obama Care” – they say, “tough; we are fining you and stomping on you like an Elephant”. That is exactly what this is coming to. (What our own government is doing to “Hobby Lobby” is unjust and wrong. Shame on you, President Obama, and all who are enforcing that on them!)
Another good book is A Queer Thing Happened to America, by Michael Brown (a Messianic Jew) and his web-site and web-cast. (the line of fire with Dr. Brown)
Just reading through many of the comments at that article at the New York Times was really sad. Most poured out their hatred and distain for the these young people (and people like me) standing for the true definition of marriage with “don’t they have a job?” and “they are racists, like the old view in the South in the 50s (same as Matt Martin’s view above) that inter-racial marriage was wrong” and comments like, “I don’t understand what affect is has on them; or your church, etc.” and “if heterosexuals want to defend marriage, then work on the divorce problem and adultery problem”, (as if Christians did not speak out against that stuff; but the media shut us off as “nut-jobs” and cruel back then, and now 50 years later use those as examples against Christians, etc. One commenter said something like, “one word for this position = CRUEL” (to deny homosexuals the right to get married).
It is actually cruel to not say, “no, this is wrong and sin”.
The whole thing is very sad. It is the end of decent civilization as we know it; because it will open up the flood gates for bi-sexual marriage (3 persons); polygamy (Mormon groups and Muslims will use the same arguments that the gays are using now); man-boy lover marriages, incest marriages, and other things too weird to mention; and persecution of anyone who brings their disapproval of this stuff into the public square.
There is no basis for stopping any of that, with the way it is going now. The gays and atheists and skeptics and total secularists/Darwinian materialists/ leftists (like a few examples that are prominent in our culture – The Huffington Post, MSNBC, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins) have no moral basis for any morality at all.
The Biblical view, Matthew 19:1-7 – Jesus quoted from both Genesis 1 and 2, and affirmed a. God as the creator b. the creation of male and female – one man and one woman c. The two – one man and one woman shall become one flesh. (Jesus quoted Genesis 1:27-28 / 5:2 and 2:24 and alludes to Genesis 1:1)
No one should say, “Jesus never talked about homosexuality” and no one should let anyone get away with that statement, without at least pointing out that by quoting from Genesis 1 and 2 on “male and female” and “the two shall become one”, Jesus did say something that directly affects the issues of so “called gay marriage”.
Some reasons why I think, many give up defending Biblical / tradition / correct marriage is that
Reason 1. It takes a lot of time and energy to actually argue the points without being called a bigot or racist or homophobe. They (the left and gays) usually shut down rational debate with those charges. (just like the photo above (at Denny Burk’s blog that Matt Martin linked to; and Matt Martin’s comment seeks to do.) It is not a good argument since Moses married Zipphorah, a Midianite; and his second wive was black, a Cushite (Nubia, Sudan, Ethiopia); and Rahab was a Canaanite but became a true believer in the God of Israel and is in Jesus geneology (as is Ruth, Tamar, and Bathsheba) Ruth was a Moabites and Bathsheba married “Uriah, the Hittite”, etc. – that the Bible has examples of people who married other races/ethnicities proves that the view of 1950s photo is wrong and not biblical; and yet there is no example of homosexual marriage in Scripture. All the OT prohibitions against marrying other cultures was not because of their race, ethnicity; rather it was because they were unbelievers/pagans. There was no problem if someone converted to the true God. So, the bible assumes that Zipporah (like her father Jethro – Exodus 18- became a believer in the God of Israel). Ruth clearly became a believer. (Ruth 1:16) and Uriah, the Hittite, apparently also became a believer in the God of Israel, as he rose to be a top general in Israel’s army and his character with David’s attempts to get him to compromise are exemplary and noble. (2 Samuel 11-12)
2. It would force us to have to show that the issues are Biblical and require getting into the details of the Bible; and they have liberal scholars who have been distorting the Bible passages for a long time. (an example is Obery Hendricks recent article at the Huffington Post – what a ton of eisegesis and just wrong interpretation); also it requires the understanding that the same sex act (and fantacies/ lusts) are wrong and sin by nature. If they adopt children, it is wrong by nature to the children, no matter how more kind and loving they are to the children and sometimes possibly better than some heterosexual marriages that have fighting, anger, divorce in them that negatively affects children.
3. It forces us to say that same sex acts are by nature perversions and wrong and even gross; and perversions against nature; and that those desires are perversions of the mind and soul; and people don’t want to talk about the details of that stuff, except those gay activists who are now writing blogs and describing all their details and trans-gender issues, bi-sexuals, etc. – I tried to read a trans-gender person’s blog after she/ (originally a he); made a comment at my blog and it is really weird – the details of describing their lives are really just weird.
Addendum (added March 23) See also my previous article, “Negative Effects of Same Sex Marriage”