Paul Bilal Williams overwhelms simple Christian lady from Texas with intellectual arguments!

See this video of him doing Islamic Da’wa (means “invitation” to Islam, roughly equivalent to Christian evangelism) in speaker’s corner in Hyde Park, London, and blog post, “Paul Williams vs. a Texan Christian Lady”

It looks like a lot of fun; I wish I lived in England; I would enjoy going there and talking to Muslims.

Paul,

You obviously overwhelmed the simple lady from Texas with your intellectual prowess and knowledge of church history and Codex Siniaticus, and amazing exegesis of Mark 10 and Mark 1, but you don’t keep reading in each passage that you use.  (Which then shows your exegesis to be weak.)

Since you are so smart, you should not be afraid to debate James White, as he will give you equal time to talk without any interruptions and shouting or changing the subject matter.  Why don’t you do that?  What are you afraid of?

Don’t you know anything about context?

Don’t you know that the 27 books of the NT were first written as individual scrolls in the first century, and that the codex form was not commonly used until around 250 AD?

“. . . the codex achieved numerical parity with the scroll around AD 300, and had completely replaced it throughout the now Christianized Greco-Roman World by the 6th century.”  (Roberts and Skeat, The Birth of the Codex, 1983, p. 75)  see the Wikipedia article on the Codex. 

In those 2 main passages that you discussed, both Mark 10 and Mark chapter 1, you left out verses and context – just keep reading in both of them, and you would be able to see that they do not teach what you are claiming.  Why are so dull as to not keep reading in the context of each passage?

In the Mark 10 passage, you left out Mark 10:23-27 (which you always do)

You were also refuted here, about “Why do you call Me good?  Only God is good.”

And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!”  The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!  It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”   They were even more astonished and said to Him, “Then who can be saved?”  Looking at them, Jesus said, “With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”  Mark 10:23-27

Jesus clearly teaches that people cannot save themselves in their own power, and cannot even obey the commandments in their power, and cannot give up their possessions to the poor, unless God gives supernatural power, which is by being born again by the Spirit of God – Ezekiel 36:26-27; and John 3:1-21 – so the woman was correct, although she jumped to John 3 too fast, and could have done better at letting you finish your points.

Paul, don’t you know anything about context?

In Mark 1, you only focused on verse 4, but verse 7 shows that part of his preaching was about the Messiah to come; and Acts 19:4 tells us that John told them to believe in Jesus who was coming in the future;

Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” (Acts 19:4)

Also John 1:29 teaches that John the baptizer taught that Jesus would be the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.  Trying to limit repentance and forgiveness to some kind of Islamic idea, is just very anachronistic and so, unworthy of a man of your intellectual powers.

Further, you are not showing any Christian anything amazing, as there is such a thing as progressive revelation.

Also, verses 7 and 11 teach about the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity and verse 11 mentions the beloved Son of God, the 2nd person of the Trinity. The whole passage is Trinitarian in structure.

Have you heard of progressive revelation, Paul?

Mark 1:4-10 – 

4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins. John was clothed with camel’s hair and wore a leather belt around his waist, and his diet was locusts and wild honey. And he was preaching, and saying, “After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals. I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him; 11 and a voice came out of the heavens: “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” (Mark 1:4-10)

You tried to cause doubt on the resurrection by bringing up Mark 16:9-20, but we all acknowledge that that passage is not in the oldest manuscripts.  But Mark 16:1-8 is there in Codex Siniaticus, and clearly teaching that Jesus was risen from the dead by the empty tomb.

And in Mark chapter 1, Mark 1:7 and 10-11 are embedded in the passage that you try to use against the Christian message.  You have no reasonable evidence to accept verse 4, but reject verses 7 and 10-11, which point to the Trinity.  So the Trinity is there, in basic form, in chapter 1 of one of the earliest books of the NT, the Gospel according to Mark.

Paul Williams asked, “Does the Bible say that blood sacrifice is necessary for atonement?”  [my emphasis]

Answer:  Yes, Hebrews 9:22 and Genesis 22, Exodus 12, Leviticus chapters 1-7; 16-17, Psalm 50:5; and Isaiah 53, and Romans 3:25-26 are all in the Bible!  So it doesn’t have to explicitly say it in Mark 1:4 (at the time of John the Baptist, the temple was still standing, and the event of the cross is still future) as all the Jews understood that both repentance and sacrifice in the temple was necessary; but it sure teaches it explicitly in other places in the Bible!

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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2 Responses to Paul Bilal Williams overwhelms simple Christian lady from Texas with intellectual arguments!

  1. Sam Shamoun says:

    Hey bro, I thought you would be interested in seeing my latest reply that I just wrote for the Answering Muslims blog which is a response to Williams’ clip of Ally’s lies and inconsistencies concerning Isaiah 53. Let me know your thoughts: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2013/06/how-isaiah-53-proves-that-muhammad-was.html

  2. Ken Temple says:

    Thanks Sam. Good points. Indeed, if Muslims agree that Isaiah 52:13-15 and 53:1-12 is about Israel, and Israel is high and exalted and lifted up (Isaiah 52:13); then Muslims would seem to be agreeing with shirk, since only God is high and exalted and lifted up.

    “My servant” will act wisely so as to succeed and prosper . . . ” (Isaiah 52:13) Isa Al Masih said that He was the servant, and came to serve and give His life a ransom for many.” (Mark 10:45; Matthew 20:28)

    Jesus Al Masih عیسی المسیح Himself said He was the servant of Yahweh of Isaiah 42 also – in Matthew 12.

    Jesus Al Masih said He fulfilled Isaiah 53 in Matthew 8:17.

    Jesus said He was the fulfillment of Isaiah 53 through His apostle Peter in the letter of Peter in 1 Peter 2:22-25.

    Jesus said He was the fulfillment of Isaiah 53 through His servant Philip in Acts 8:30-38.

    Jesus said He was the fulfillment of Isaiah 53:1 through His apostle Paul in Romans 10

    and Jesus said this through the apostle John in the Gospel of John 12.

    Jesus Himself said He was the fulfillment of Isaiah 53 in Luke 22:37:
    “For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.”” Luke 22:37

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