Trinity Debate

A Debate on the Trinity –

2 Trinitarians (Michael Brown and James White)

vs. 2 Unitarians (Anthony Buzzard and Joseph Good)

Both sides agree with Monotheism and that Jesus was the Messiah and suffering servant of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 and suffered and died on the cross and rose from the dead. (Muslims, take note!)  They disagree on the Deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity.

Part 1:

Part 2 and Part 3:

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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10 Responses to Trinity Debate

  1. aaron says:

    Hi ken is there a way i can contact you through email i want to be able to explain the trinity consistently but keep stuffing up at it

  2. Ken Temple says:

    Hi Aaron,
    Before we do that; first tell me a little about yourself and what books have you read on the Trinity?
    How do you try and explain it?
    What makes you think you are messing it up?
    Ken

  3. Ken Temple says:

    Aaron:
    Also:
    Did you watch the debate? It is deep and comprehensive and each answer by both sides is comprehensive, but from my perspective, Dr. Brown and Dr. White has more argumentation from Scripture (context, grammar, historical background) and more compelling reasoning. I am watching it again for the second time, and it is so full and comprehensive, I find myself stopping and looking up verses and looking at Greek and Hebrew texts, etc. It is not something that one can just watch or listen to one time and get all the issues.

    Also, see these links:

    https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/man-made-religion-tries-to-make-god-more-understandable/

    Here is another article I wrote, where I give 4 good resources on the doctrine of the Trinity:
    http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/05/incarnation-atonement-and-trinity.html

    One of the most important things that Dr. White keeps saying is that every analogy of the Trinity breaks down eventually, because God the Trinity is completely unique. Therefore, no analogy will work completely. (i.e., water = steam, ice, liquid; Sun and rays and heat, etc.)

    Do a search on the Trinity as http://www.aomin.org (Dr. James White) I recommend his book on the Trinity and the other 3 sources I named at the other article.

  4. aaron says:

    i am more of the average christian with rudimentary knowledge on bible one of the problems is that i tend to find myself trying to make sense in a human way and not god;s way and i believe its not the right approach and i am not sure how to explain how can three persons be one being in the trinity

  5. Ken Temple says:

    Aaron,
    What is your heart language? Your native language?

  6. Sam Shamoun says:

    Hey bro, here is the 2nd part of my reply to Shabir’s distortion of Isaiah 53: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2013/06/how-isaiah-53-proves-that-muhammad-was_22.html.

  7. aaron says:

    my main language is english but my native one is chinese but i speak english better

  8. Ken Temple says:

    Hi Aaron,
    I would suggest you get:
    The Forgotten Trinity by James White
    Why You Should Believe in the Trinity, by Robert Bowman
    Is the Father of Jesus the god of Muhammad? by Timothy George
    Contending for Our All – chapter one on Athanasius, by John Piper (there is a free version of that chapter here and you can listen to the lecture on Athanasius by John Piper http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/biographies/contending-for-our-all (everything there at Desiring God is excellent and free sermons audio and video; and some of his books are available to download. Excellent material.)

    Plus, read the articles I gave above that I wrote, and listen to the debate above and take lots of notes from Dr. White and Dr. Brown – and look up the verses and go over the verses in the Bible slowly and meditate on them deeply and pray.

  9. Ken Temple says:

    Another good book is “Delighting in the Trinity” by Michael Reeves (InterVarsity Press, 2012)

    I sincerely hope you will look into all these resources, articles, and web-sites and study the issue more deeply.

  10. θ says:

    Pattern of reading in John 1.
    John 1:1 literally reads :
    “God was the Word.” (not backwardly “the Word was God.”)
    The same pattern appears shortly in John 1:4 that says :
    “the Life was the light of men.”

    John 1:1 and John 1:4 present a similar message that the Word comes from God just like the light of men comes from Jesus. It doesn’t mean the Word is God since the men aren’t Jesus either.

    As John 1:4 can’t be read inversely as “the men’s light was Jesus (the Life), in the same sense John 1:1 cannot be read reversely as “the Word was God (Jehovah).”

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