“Every Trinitarian affirms the Shema” Dr. James White

“Every Trinitarian affirms the Shema”  James White  “The Shema” = Deuteronomy 6:4 – “hear o hear O Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord.”

“The revelation of the doctrine of the Trinity takes place in the incarnation, ministry, death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ, His exaltation to the right hand of the Father, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit”. . .  The NT is the record of that revelation . . . ”

“Mark 12:29 demands a Monotheistic interpretation, but not a “unitarian” interpretation.”  James White

Mark 12:29   – Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

Greek Text:  απεκριθη ‘ο Ιησους ‘οτι πρωτη εστιν ακουε, Ισραηλ, κυριος ‘ο θεος ‘ημων κυριος ‘εις εστιν 

‘εις = heis = “one”

1 Corinthians 8:6  “yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

Greek Text:

αλλ’ ‘ημιν ‘εις θεος ‘ο πατηρ

εξ ου τα παντα και ‘ημεις εις αυτον,

και ‘εις κυριος Ιησους χριστος 

δι’ ου τα παντα και ημεις δι’ αυτου.

“you could not use those words in that way about a mere creature” . . .

“The Bible didn’t stop at Deuteronomy 6:5” James White

John 20:28

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Greek Text:  απεκριθη Θωμας και ειπεν αυτω ‘ο κυριος μου και ‘ο θεος μου

The Forgotten Trinity, by James White.

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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13 Responses to “Every Trinitarian affirms the Shema” Dr. James White

  1. θ says:

    Hebrew word “Echad” means an innumerable (not numerable) compound.
    Besides meaning One, “Echad” can mean innumerable in the context of human’s procreation. If the authors of the Bible were Trinitarians, we would expect to find “Echad” applied to just “three-persons” or “two beings” in limited number (to be compared to 3 persons or 2 sons of God) in the Bible, but in fact it is not.
    Echad cannot be used for the Trinitarian God because:
    (i) Trinitarian God is numerable, the number “Three” is not innumerable.
    (ii) God’s son does not become thru Father’s procreation.
    (iii) God is not human.
    (iv) Angels are called figuratively as sons.
    (v) All things, including humans, demons and beasts are called figuratively as sons (Eph 4:6, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all).

    “Echad” is never used for number three. It is used for number that involves “one” in counting, such as 11, 11th, 21, 21st, 31, 31st, 41, 41st, one-tenth.
    twenty-first: 1 Chronicles 24:17, Haggai 2:1, 1 Chronicles 25:28, Exodus 12:18.
    thirty-first: 1 Kings 16:23
    forty-first: 2 Chronicles 16:13.
    one-tenth: Numbers 29:4.
    eleven: Genesis 32:22, Genesis37:9, Deuteronomy 1:2, Joshua 15:51, 2 Kings 23:36, 2 Kings 24:18, 2 Chronicles 36:5, 2 Chronicles 36:11, Jeremiah 52:1.
    eleventh: 1 Kings 6:38, 2 Kings 9:29, Ezekiel 30:20, Ezekiel 31:1.
    One thousand: Isaiah 30:17.

    Since the writers of Scripture are Monotheists, they use “Echad” to describe God as either One being, or innumerable compound (not only three) in His attribute’s greatness and creation.
    Job 23
    13 But he is in one (Echad) mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many (Rabot) such things are with him.
    Ps 147
    5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
    Mal 2
    10 Do we not all have one (Echad) father? Has not one (Echad) God created us?
    Isa 40
    26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names, by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

    On humans, “Echad” is used to describe innumerable seeds in one compound.
    Abraham is one, whereas his seeds are innumerable like number of dust of the earth. Echad (one) could only become Rabyim (many) via the biological conception of Sarah and other Jewish mothers. None can persuade that Abraham’s seeds just consist three persons or that his seeds come without woman’s conception.
    Isa 51
    2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare ye (Khem): for I called him alone (Echad), and blessed him, and increased him.
    Ezek 33
    24 Abraham was one (Echad), and he inherited the land: but we (Anach’nu) are many (Rabyim).

    Abraham is “Echad”, eventually he becomes a father of innumerable seeds thru procreating sexually. Son of God is not a seed of God, neither is he mothered by any female goddess.
    Gen 13
    16 And I will make thy seed (Zar’a) as the dust (‘Afar) of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.

    Abraham, Levi, Aaron, and Aaronite priests are one in an innumerable compound sense.
    Levi stands in the place of Aaron as his representative, because Aaron is a person whom the second priesthood is named (Order of Aaron). Aaron’s action is also ascribed to his innumerable descendants (Aaronite priests). One ancestor from whom innumerable sons come stands in their behalf as their federal head.

    Heb 7
    9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical Priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the Order of Aaron?

    Abraham’s act of paying tithes to Melchizedek could be attributed to Levi (Levite Priesthood), also to Aaron (Order of Aaron), then to Aaronites over all, since either Aaron, or Levi, or Abraham is Aaronite’s federal head who represented them in all he said and did. None can persuade that Aaronite priests just consist three persons.

  2. θ says:

    When Jesus references Deuteronomy’s Shema in Mark 12:29, the “Lord is one” (Kurios eis estin) in the passage must be “Adonay” Jehovah, no doubt.
    But Trinitarians have a difficulty to insist the Paul’s use of “One Lord” (Eis Kurios) in 1Cor.8:6 and Eph.4:5 as clear reference to Adonay (to Jehovah) rather than just Adon (to Abraham husband of Sarah, Prophets, Kings, Angels, et cetera).

  3. Ken Temple says:

    you should write “kurios heis estin” = κυριος ‘εις εστιν

    eis = εις = into, towards, to (eis without the breathing mark)
    heis = ‘εις = one

    there is a small breathing mark, ‘ = “h” in English. The breathing mark actually goes over the i (iota), but I am not able to do that on my keyboard.
    but I can copy and paste from the blueletter bible site:
    κύριος εἷς ἐστίν

  4. Ken Temple says:

    It is easy in Ephesians 4:5 and I Cor. 8:6 to see it as saying Jesus is Yahweh (kurios), since in the same context it distinguishes “one God, the Father”.

  5. θ says:

    “Ken Temple says: It is easy in Ephesians 4:5 and I Cor. 8:6 to see it as saying Jesus is Yahweh (kurios), since in the same context it distinguishes “one God, the Father”.”

    The context violates the distinction rules between Son and Father. If Jesus (2nd person) were “one” Adonay for Trinitarians, the Father can not be Adonay for them.

    “One Lord” means “One Yahweh” if Lord is meant as “Adonay”.
    Hence, If Jesus (2nd person) were “one Yahweh”, the Father can not be Yahweh anymore.

    That’s dilemma of distinction. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

  6. Ken Temple says:

    No; because the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are Yahweh in essence/substance/nature.

  7. θ says:

    “Ken Temple says: No; because the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are Yahweh in essence/substance/nature.”

    Let me make this 3rd grade rephrasing for the logic of Trinitarians: if the Son were “One Yahweh” (One “Adonay”), two other persons – the Father and Spirit – can not be Yahweh anymore.

    Does the word “One” still have a meaning?

  8. θ says:

    The phrase “One Lord” of Ephesians 4:5 and I Cor. 8:6 contradicts Psalm 110:1 on “My Lord”.
    (i) if One Lord were meant “One Adonay”, Jesus can’t be the lord (Adoni) of David.
    (ii) if One Lord means “One Adon”, Jesus can’t be Adonay Jehovah.

  9. Ken Temple says:

    נְאֻם יְהוָה לַֽאדֹנִי

    He said, The LORD (Yahweh) to My Lord (Adoni) =
    εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου (Lxx Greek of Psalm 110:1)

    “The Lord said to the Lord of Mine”

    quoted in Matthew 22:44; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42; Acts 2:34;

    both are kurios / κυριος – which points to the oneness of nature/substance/essence.

    This is why the doctrine of the Trinity means One God in essence/substance, and yet three in persons. You are confusing “nature” with “persons” categories.

    The one Lord of Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Cor. 8:6 means Jesus Christ, the One Son, but “one God, even Father” is about the Father; but both are Yahweh-Adonai by substance – both Father and Son are by nature Yahweh and Lord (Adonai / Adoni – master, Sovereign, boss)

  10. batmanisdead says:

    [About Paul Bilal Williams – British convert to Islam]

    The guy leaves Christianity, then leaves Islam who knows when again he is

    going to leave Islam. why don’t give advice to Muslims to leave Islam like

    you did and then come back like you did. If James White is a fake academic

    why don’t you debate him and expose him for once and all. We both know

    that’s never going to happen. Just preach to some Muslims here. Not a

    single comment you made here make me wanna leave or even doubt Christianity. This is coming from a 19 years old.
    I left this comment on Patheic Christanphobe Paul williams where is blogging about James White he deleted it twice. I thought you should know.

  11. Ken Temple says:

    Thanks. Good point – Paul Williams should debate Dr. White, but Williams is too afraid of him. Dr. White challenged him years ago, but Williams refused.

  12. θ says:

    “Ken Temple says: The one Lord of Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Cor. 8:6 means Jesus Christ, the One Son, but “one God, even Father” is about the Father; but both are Yahweh-Adonai by substance – both Father and Son are by nature Yahweh ”

    First of all, Jesus makes personal interpretation of Tanachic Dt 6:4 in Mk 12:29 there is only one Adonay. Hence, for Jesus Deuteronomy’s “Echad” is not a compound but one (heis estin εις εστιν). Jesus sides with Jews and Arians, not with Trinitarians.
    The belief of many Adonays is polytheism.

    Next, you dismiss Psalm 110:1 (or Hebrew reading of Mt 22:44 Mk 12:36 Lk 20:42 Ac 2:34) that differentiates “Adon” from “Adonay”. They both can’t be Adonay because there is only one Adonay Jehovah, and there’s one Adon.
    Ps 110:1 doesn’t say Adonay said unto my Adonay because it meant there are two Adonays, hence polytheism.

    Also, Jewish and Unitarian theologians show irrefutable facts that the Tanachic quotes in the New Testament that reference to “Adonay” always consistently point out to “only one” Adonay Jehovah, even when Jesus addresses Jehovah or when both Chris and Jehovah are addressed therein.

    Lk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal.
    Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up.

    Luke 23:46 Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:
    Psalms 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

    Hebrews 7:21 The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
    Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

    Heb 8:11
    Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    Jer 31:34
    Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:

    Hebrews 10:30 And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people,

    Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    Proverbs 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

  13. θ says:

    Shema in the Bible is testimony of belief of the Lord (Adonay) God.
    Shema doesn’t talk about Hypostasis, nor Logos, nor co-equality, nor Adon, nor Son of God, let alone Triad, Triunity, Trinity.
    Shema is a Scriptural requirement of salvation, whereas Nicea Decree is not.

    According to Trinitarians, the believers before the death of Jesus went to a Limbo waiting to be released.
    Accordingly, all Unitarians before the Nicea Decree, including Paul, went to 2nd Limbo until Athanasius and Constantine descended and released them.

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