The Result of a man-made religion with no love in God’s essence, no atonement, no concept of the Fatherhood of God

“In Islam, there is no fatherhood of God and no purpose of redemption  to soften the doctrine of the decrees.”  Samuel Zwemer, The Moslem Doctrine of God, page 100. (see link to Zwemer’s book)

* by “decrees”, Zwemer is meaning Allah’s decrees of Sovereignty and Predestination ( قدر – Qadr = power, sovereignty; جبر – Jabr = force, destiny ) in that Allah causes some to be guided to the true path and paradise and the rest to be guided to hell.

* there is “no purpose of redemption” in Islam – This is why Muslims see no need for the atonement and so in Islam, there is no purpose in God redeeming some from all nations (Rev. 5:9) by His own grace in the incarnation and work on the cross  for His own glory.  So Muslims don’t see the need for atonement or redemption or the incarnation, because they don’t see that people are sinners by nature and cannot earn their salvation by doing good deeds.  They think they can earn paradise by doing believing in the doctrines of Islam and by doing good deeds.

” The attribute of love is absent from Allah.”  Zwemer, ibid, p. 100

Here he means that there is nothing in Islam or the Qur’an like there is in the Bible that God’s nature is love – as in 1 John 4:8-19 – “God is love.”

The Qur’an says “Allah is loving or friendly” or “congenial”. = wadood ودود  (other native Arabic speakers have told me that is the difference between wadood – ودود and Mohabbat محبت / محبه .  Wadood is more like “friendly” whereas Mohabbat conveys the Greek word “agape”.   One of the 99 names of Allah is “wodood” ودود , but not “Mohabat” محبت / محبه  or “hobb” حب  in essence.  The Qur’an says “Allah does not love sinners”, but only loves those who love Allah first.  They don’t have anything like Romans 5:8 – “God demonstrates His love toward us even while we were still sinners, that Christ died for us.”  Allah is compassionate ( رحمان = Rahmon) (the one who does actions of compassion) and merciful (رحیم = Rahim ) (the one who does actions of mercy); but the Islamic theologicans have debated for centuries over if one can say “Allah is . . . ”   It seems that many Muslims theologians have even said, “We cannot say “Allah is ….. (something)”; ” we cannot say what Allah’s nature/substance ( ذات = dhat / zat ) or essence ( جوهر = johar)  is.

“The mystic love of the Sufis (widespread and weighty though it be in its influence) is not a characteristic of orthodox Islam, but arose in rebellion to it.

The Fatherhood of God and the repeated declarations of Scripture that God loves the world, loves the sinner, loves mankind – that God is love – all this has had its influence on Christian speculation regarding the problem of God’s decrees. In like manner the character of Allah has been the key to the same problem among Moslems. Islam, as we have seen, reduces God to the category of the will. He is at heart a despot, an Oriental despot. He stands at abysmal heights above humanity. He cares nothing for character, but only for submission. The only affair of men is to obey His decrees.

2. The Moslem doctrine of hell is in accordance with their coarse beliefs regarding Predestination and Mohammed’s utter want of conception of the spiritual. According to the Koran and Tradition, Hell must be filled, and so God creates infidels.2 Of all religions in the world, Islam is the most severe in its conception of the capacity and the torments of hell. “On that day We will say to hell, Art thou full? and it will say, Are there any more?” (Surah 50:30.) The conception of hell is brutal, cruel and to the last degree barbarous. The whole picture, as given in the Koran and commented on by Tradition, is horribly revolting. “Hell shall be a place of snares, the home of transgressors, to abide therein for ages. No coolness shall they taste nor any drink, save boiling water and liquid pus. Meet recompense!” (Surahs 88:1-7; 2:38; 3:197; 14:20, 43:71-78, etc., etc.) The word Jehannum [ جهنم  ] occurs thirty times; fire (nar= نار )  –  is still more frequently used; there are six other words used for the place of torment. One cannot read the traditions which give what Mohammed said on this subject without feeling how heartless and loveless is the creed of Islam.   Yet it is in connection with such ideas of God that the Moslems believe in Predestination.

It is not difficult to surmise whence Mohammed got his ideas of a Predestination after the pattern of fatalism.”  (Zwemer, The Moslem Doctrine of God, p. 102-103; with my comments in brackets)

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1Theol. Studien, 14 Jahrgang, p. 240.

2 Surahs 32:13; 97:5; 4:11; 9:69. Cf. Commentaries.

Muslims as people have great capacities for loving each other and others, and their culture of hospitality is really great, but this is because they are created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-28) and they retain those good qualities because of that.    But the doctrines and the religion itself, with its principles of controlling external society in Sharia, the Khaliphate (historically up until 1924; and the desire for the restoration of the Khalifate), Jihad with Qatal (fighting, killing, slaying) and Harb (war) (struggle against the unbelievers and commands to fight and kill the Christians and Jews (Surah 9:5; 9:29; 8:39), Dhimmitude (subjugation of Christians and Jews and not allowing freedom for evangelism and debate and disagreement); no assurance of salvation, and fatalism, and laws of apostasy (death for Muslims who turn from Islam), result in a harsh life and seem to be the reasons for the lack of freedom and harshness and war and violence in Islamic history, and we are seeing the results of this today in many places all over the world.

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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105 Responses to The Result of a man-made religion with no love in God’s essence, no atonement, no concept of the Fatherhood of God

  1. Jesus says:

    Quoting a Christian apologist on Islam , who is by and large ignorant on Quran , Arabic etc only shows the level at which u people argue . I burst into laughter when i read this statement …..” The mystic love of the Sufis is not a characteristic of orthodox Islam, but arose in rebellion to it.” , this is a childish , ignorant claim which any historical scholar will laugh off.

    For a scholarly treatment of the subject please refer… ‘ Love in the Holy Quran ‘ by scholar H.R.H. Prince Ghazi . He has thoroughly demonstrated in the book that Allah indeed loves and cares for his creation and is not like the jealous God of the Bible.

    • Ken Temple says:

      “Jesus” – (Is your Islamic name, Isa عیسی ? )

      Thanks for interaction here. I sincerely appreciate some feedback, because Paul Williams banned me and I like discussions and friendly debate with Muslims.

  2. Jesus says:

    Coming onto the polemic of …’man made religion’…., i want to bring ur kind attention to a book who all scholars say is written by anonymous men , have been altered , has pseudepigrapha , factual and historical errors , internal contradictions , fables , myths etc .

    Guess the name of the book , it starts with the word B

  3. Ken Temple says:

    Even Timothy Winter admitted that Sufism was a latter development and a reaction to dry and legalistic Islam. (It was in one of Paul Williams’ articles and very interesting. I will try and find it later and give exact link, if I can find it again. )
    That’s why the Salafis and Wahabis don’t like Sufism.

    But Paul Williams banned me recently, none of my comments go through anymore. He has never answered or dealt with Mark 10:22-27, and so, it seems, because he cannot deal with it, and I keep bringing it up, he has banned me. I have made a few other comments recently and my comments don’t go through.

  4. Ken Temple says:

    There is a great difference between the love of God in the Bible for sinners from all the nations and languages and cultures (Revelation 5:9, 7:9; Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:9-10) vs. Allah’s love which is conditioned on your performance and works and even then, there is no assurance.

    The Qur’an puts limits on Allah, because “Allah does not love sinners” (Qur’an 2:190; 2:276; 3:32; 3:57; 7:31; 4:36; 8:58; 28:77; 57:23); yet the Bible says, “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” Romans 5:8

    And Romans 5:10 teaches that Christ died for His enemies, which even the Grandverbalizer19, a Muslim, confessed is “greater love”. (The Grandverbalizer19’s blog was hacked and then he started another blog, and seems to have moved to a more “Qur’an Only” position, or “Qur’an Prima” position, questioning many Sahih AHadith. So, unfortunately, the link to that old article is no longer available.)

    • Allah loves those who are pure and clean al-Baqarah 2:222 (specifically taking about women being clean from their menstruation period).
    • Allah loves those who do good al-Baqarah 2:195; Âl ‘Imran 3:134
    • Allah loves those who keep faith and act rightly Âl ‘Imran 3:76
    “In all the examples above, the love of God is conditional upon the believer being good or clean. If the believer should turn back from God, Allah does not love him any more (Âl ‘Imran 3:32).”

    If you love Allah, then Allah will love you. Qur’an Al Imran 3:31
    Allah does not forgive those that ascribe partners to Allah; Allah only forgives who he wants to forgive. Surah 4:48
    Allah does not love those who reject Faith, Âl ‘Imran 3:32
    Allah does not love the arrogant, the vainglorious, an-Nisa’ “Women” 4:36
    Allah does not love the ungrateful or wicked, al-Baqarah 2:276
    Allah does not love transgressors, al-Baqarah 2:190
    Allah does not love wrongdoers, Âl ‘Imran 3:57,140

    • Jesus says:

      So the God of Bible loves …. rapists , murderers, terrorists , thieves etc ?

      • Ken Temple says:

        Read all the verses – He loves them but does not approve of their sin – God loves them enough to change them from murderers (Saul was changed into a “Paul”, one who formerly killed Christians). If they don’t repent, they go to hell – see Mark 9:47-48; Matthew 5:21-30.

        God changes us on the inside – see Romans chapter 6, 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

        True repentance and faith in Christ results in a changed life. God gives us a new spirit and new heart – see Ezekiel 36:26-27 and John 3:1-21

      • Jesus says:

        lol

        It is like saying i love Hitler , Bin Laden but do not approve of their action !

      • Sam Shamoun says:

        Muhammad and his followers even went around committing theft, which makes them thieves by raiding and robbing unsuspecting caravans:

        Ibn Ishaq records that Muhammad, after having settled in Medina, would either lead or send his Companions out on raids with the intention of enriching both himself and his followers from the plunder that would be gained from these expeditions. Ibn Ishaq wrote:

        The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood BEFORE THE SECOND ‘AQABA. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh had persecuted his followers, seducing some from their religion, and exiling others from their country. They had to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country, some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.

        When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity, believed in His prophet, and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to fight and to protect himself against those wronged them and treated them badly.

        The first verses which sent down on this subject from what I have heard from ‘Urwa b. al-Zubayr and other learned persons: ‘Permission is given to those who fight because they have been wronged. God is well able to help them,- those who have been driven out of their houses without right only because they said God is our Lord. Had not God used some men to keep back others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques wherein the name of God is constantly mentioned would have been destroyed. Assuredly God will help those who help Him. God is Almighty. Those who if we make them strong in the land will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity. To God belongs the end of matters.’ The meaning is: ‘I have allowed them to fight only because they have been unjustly treated while their sole offence against men has been that they worship God. When they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity, i.e. the prophet and his companions all of them.’ Then God sent down to him: ‘Fight them so that there be no more seduction,’ i.e., until no believer is seduced from his religion. ‘And the religion is God’s,’ i.e. Until God alone is worshiped.

        When God had given permission to fight AND THE CLAN OF THE ANSAR HAD PLEDGED THEIR SUPPORT TO HIM IN ISLAM AND TO HELP HIM AND HIS FOLLOWERS, AND THE MUSLIMS WHO HAD TAKEN REFUGE WITH THEM, the apostle commanded his companions, the emigrants of his people and those Muslims who were with him in Mecca, to emigrate in Medina and to link up with their brethren the Ansar. ‘God will make for you brethren and houses in which you may be safe.’ So they went in companies, and the apostle stayed in Mecca waiting for his Lord’s permission to leave Mecca and migrate to Medina. (Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, pp. 212-213; capital emphasis ours)

        After his companions had left, the apostle stayed in Mecca waiting for permission to migrate. Except for Abu Bakr and ‘Ali, none of his supporters were left but those under restraint and those who had been forced to apostatize. The former kept asking the apostle for permission to emigrate and he would answer, ‘Don’t be in a hurry; it may be that God will give you a companion.’ Abu Bakr hoped that it would be Muhammad himself.

        When the Quraysh saw that the apostle had a party and companions not of their tribe and outside their territory, and that his companions had migrated to join them, and knew that they had settled in a new home and had gained protectors, they feared that the apostle might join them, SINCE THEY KNEW THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO FIGHT THEM. So they assembled in their council chamber, the house of Qusayy b. Kilab where all their important business was conducted, to take counsel what they should do in regard to the apostle, FOR THEY WERE NOW IN FEAR OF HIM. (Guillaume, p. 221; capital emphasis ours)

        Then the apostle prepared for war in pursuance of God’s command to fight his enemies and to fight those polytheists who were near at hand whom God commanded him to fight. This was thirteen years after his call. (Ibid., p. 280)

        Al-Tabari states:

        According to Musa b. Harun- ‘Amr b. Hammad- Asbat- al-Suddi: “They question thee with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (man) from the path of Allah….” This was revealed because the Messenger of God sent a detachment of seven men under the command of ‘Abd Allah B. Jahsh al-Asadi, consisting of ‘Ammar b. Yasir, Abu Hudhayfah b. ‘Utbah b. Rabi‘ah, Sa‘d b. Abi Waqqas, ‘Utbah b. Ghazwan al-Sulami the confederate of the Banu Nawfal, Suhayl b. Bayda’, ‘Amir b. Fuhayrah and Waqid b. ‘Abd Allah al-Yarbu‘i the confederate of ‘Umar b. al-Khattab. He wrote a letter (which he gave) to Ibn Jahsh, ordering him not to read it until he halted at Batn Malal. When he halted at Batn Malal, he opened the letter, which read, “March until you halt at Batn Nakhlah.” He said to his companions, “Whoever desires death, let him go on and make his will; I am making my will and acting on the orders of the Messenger of God.” He went on, and Sa‘d b. Abi Waqqas and ‘Utbah b. Ghazwan, who had lost their riding-camel, stayed behind. They went to Buhran in search of it, while Ibn Jahsh went to Batn Nakhlah. Suddenly he encountered al-Hakam b. Kaysan, ‘Abd Allah b. Mughirah, al-Mughirah b. ‘Uthman, and ‘Amr b. al-Hadrami. They fought and took al-Hakam b. Kaysan and ‘Abdallah b. al-Mughirah captive, while al-Mughirah escaped and ‘Amr b. al-Hadrami was killed by Waqid b. ‘Abd Allah. This was the first booty taken by the companions of Muhammad. When they returned to Medina with the two captives and the property they had taken, the people of Mecca wanted to ransom the two captives. The Prophet said, “Let us see how our two companions fare.” When Sa‘d and his companion returned, he released the two captives on payment of a ransom. The polytheists spread lying slander concerning him, saying, “Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to God, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill our companion in Rajab.” The Muslims said, “We killed him (in the previous month) Jumada.” Some say it was on the first night of Rajab, and some say it was on the last night of Jumada and that the Muslims sheathed their swords when Rajab began. God revealed in rebuke of the Meccans, “They question thee with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression)….”

        … They met Ibn al-Hadrami and killed him, not knowing whether that day was in Rajab or Jumada. The polytheists said to the Muslims, “You have done such-and-such in the sacred month.” They came to the Prophet and told him the story, and God revealed: “They question thee with regard warfare in the sacred month….” up to “…. for fitnah is worse than killing.” The word fitnah here means polytheism. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community, translated by M. V. McDonald, annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 21-23; bold emphasis ours)

        According to ‘Ali b. Nasr b. ‘Ali and ‘Abd al-Warith b. ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- his father- Aban al-‘Attar- Hisham b. ‘Urwah: ‘Urwah wrote to ‘Abd al-Malik b. Marwan as follows:

        You have written to me asking about Abu Sufyan and the circumstances of his expedition. Abu Sufyan b. Harb came from Syria at the head of nearly seventy horsemen from all the clans of Quraysh. They had been trading in Syria and they all came together with their money and their merchandise. The Messenger of God and his companions were informed about them. This was after fighting had broken out between them and people had been killed, including Ibn al-Hadrami at Nakhlah, and some of Quraysh had been taken captive, including one of the sons of al-Mughirah and their mawla, Ibn Kaysan. Those responsible were ‘Abd Allah b. Jash and Waqid, the confederate of the Banu ‘Adi b. Ka‘b, together with other companions of the Messenger of God whom he had sent out with ‘Abd Allah b. Jash. This incident had provoked (a state of) war between the Messenger of God and Quraysh and was the beginning of the fighting in which they inflicted casualties upon one another; it took place before Abu Sufyan and his companions had set out for Syria.

        Subsequently Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of Quraysh who were with him returned from Syria, following the coastal road. When the Messenger of God heard about them he called together his companions and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Abu Sufyan and the horsemen with him. They did not think that these were anything but (easy) booty and did not suppose that there would be a great battle when they met them. It is concerning this that God revealed, “And ye longed that other than the armed one might be yours.”

        When Abu Sufyan heard that the companions of the messenger of God were on their way to intercept him, he sent to Quraysh (saying), “Muhammad and his companions are going to intercept your caravan, so protect your merchandise …” (Ibid., pp. 28-29; bold emphasis ours)

        SOURCE: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm

        Therefore, according to your logic, GEEZUZ, God must have hated Muhammad, and I wholeheartedly agree.

  5. Ken Temple says:

    The Grandverbalizer19, a Muslim, a while back tried to score polemic points against John 15:13 –
    “Greater love has no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

    “Actually there is a greater love than this. A greater love than this is that a man lay down his life for his enemies. It is not something difficult to ask one to lay down their life for their friends and beloved ones; however it takes more self sacrifice and love to lay down one’s life for their enemy.” The Grandverbalizer19

    What he didn’t realize is that other passages in the Bible say just that: Romans 5:6-11

    Romans 5:6-11 (New American Standard Bible)
    6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
    7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
    8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
    10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
    11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

    The Bible teaches this “greater love” that the Muslim longs for in his heart, – Romans 5:6-11 – Jesus died for His enemies – rebel sinners. Dying for sinners, enemies, rebels, helpless, ungodly and then changes them into His friends. Since both is true, Jesus died for sinners that are enemies and changes them from enemies to friends, then both are true and you are wrong on this. The Bible is vindicated from your attacks.

    This Muslim directly admitted that dying for enemies is greater love. Since Christ also died for His enemies (Romans 5:6-10); then by principle, he has admitted that Christ dying for His enemies is greater love.

    The Qur’an only says “Allah loves those who love him; Allah does not love his enemies or unbelievers.” (see the verses above)

    Later on, when I pointed out what Romans 5:6-10 teaches, this Muslim admitted, “It was clever I’ll have to admit.”

    The GV19 was just clearly wrong in his judgment on John 15:13. God changes us from enemies into new creatures ( 2 Cor. 5:17) from death to life (Ephesians 2:1-9) from children of wrath to children of God, from enemies to friends. It still stands. John 15:14-17 – Again, read the verses around it. Jesus no longer calls us “slaves”, but “friends”; because He changes our sinful rebellious hearts by grace. He pours out His grace first on us. He loved us when we were enemies and changes us and makes us His friends. We have a loving friendship with Christ. We are no longer slaves – we are not just slaves in a cold, unfriendly, unloving way, “Do what I say!”; “submit!”, like a Darth Varder or the way Allah acts in Islam; rather we are voluntarily servants of God ( we want to serve and obey God) because we have been changed from rebels to friends and sons/daughters. (Many seeds, much fruit)

  6. Jesus says:

    If God loves ….rapists , murderers, terrorists , thieves etc ……. then how does this love different from the love of good people?

    • Ken Temple says:

      No one is good within themselves. (Romans 3:9-26) But those who repent and trust Christ get a new heart.

      If you don’t repent, you stay in your sin and bondage and the wrath of God abides on you – John 3:36, Romans 5:6-11; Ephesians 2:1-3; Romans 1:18

    • Sam Shamoun says:

      Wow, for a minute there I thought you were speaking of Muhammad and his followers since they all were rapists:

      Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, – desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. S. 4:24 Y. Ali

      As shocking as it may sound, this passage is basically stating that the only time a Muslim man (which includes Muhammad) can sleep with a married woman is when she happens to be one of the female slaves that he has taken captive!

      Unfortunately, this verse was tragically and shamefully put into practice by the jihadists:

      Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri: O Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371)

      Abu Said al-Khudri said: The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, ‘And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess’. That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2150)

      How unfortunate that Muhammad and his deity did not share the shame and concern of their followers regarding the morality of raping captives whose husbands were still alive, but actually rushed in to compose a text to justify such a wicked and perverted act!

      To make matters worse, Muhammad granted his men permission to marry women for a short period of time for the sole purpose of gratifying their sexual cravings:

      Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa’: While we were in an army, Allah’s Apostle came to us and said, “You have been allowed to do the Mut’a (marriage), so do it.” Salama bin Al-Akwa’ said: Allah’s Apostle’s said, “If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so.” I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: ‘Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, “The Mut’a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52)

      Narrated Abdullah:
      We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah’s Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, “Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: — ‘O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.’ (5.87) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13o)

      This practice continued to be observed until the time of Umar’s caliphate:

      Ibn Uraij reported: ‘Ati’ reported that Jabir b. Abdullah came to perform ‘Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet and during the time of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3248)

      Tragically, there were some instances in which women got pregnant through such unions:

      Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Urwa ibn az-Zubayr that Khawla ibn Hakim came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, “Rabia ibn Umayya made a temporary marriage with a woman and she is pregnant by him.” Umar ibn al-Khattab went out in dismay dragging his cloak, saying, “This temporary marriage, had I come across it, I would have ordered stoning and done away with it!” (Malik’s Muwatta, Book 28, Number 28.18.42)

      Today such a practice would be called prostitution, plain and simple.

      With the foregoing in view, it is obvious that Muhammad and his followers did to other people’s mothers, wives, daughters, nieces, aunts etc., the very thing that he did not want to be done to the mothers, wives, daughters, nieces, aunts etc. of Muslims.

      In light of this, we would like to ask the followers of Muhammad the very same questions that their prophet asked the young man.

      Would the Muslims like it if someone contracted temporary marriage with their mothers? What about with their daughters, sisters, paternal or maternal aunts? How about their grandmothers, granddaughters, female cousins, nieces etc.?

      Moreover, would the Muslims be okay with a group of invaders coming to their lands and taking their women captive in order to have sex with them? And would they be perfectly all right with such men taking their wives and having sex with them before selling them off to someone else (or even keeping them as their own personal property)?

      If the Muslims would have a problem with all of this then why do they follow a man who permitted his hordes to basically rape captive women, including married ones whose husbands were still alive? And why would they want to believe in a man who virtually allowed women to be treated like prostitutes by permitting his followers to contract temporary marriages whose only objective was to satisfy the carnal, lustful desires of men who didn’t have the will power to control their sexual urges?

      Source: http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/doing_to_others.html

      More in the next post.

      • Sam Shamoun says:

        Muhammad and his followers were also murderers and terrorists:

        SALIM B. UMAYR’S EXPEDITION TO KILL ABU AFAK

        Abu Afak was one of the B. Amr b. Auf of the B. Ubayda clan. He showed his disaffection when the apostle killed al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit and said:

        “Long have I lived but never have I seen
        An assembly or collection of people
        More faithful to their undertaking
        And their allies when called upon
        Than the sons of Qayla when they assembled,
        Men who overthrew mountains and never submitted,
        A rider who came to them split them in two (saying)
        “Permitted”, “Forbidden”, of all sorts of things.
        Had you believed in glory or kingship
        You would have followed Tubba

        The apostle said, “Who will deal with this rascal for me?” Whereupon Salim b. Umayr, brother of B. Amr b. Auf, one of the “weepers”, went forth and killed him. Umama b. Muzayriya said concerning that:

        You gave the lie to God’s religion and the man Ahmad! [Muhammad]
        By him who was your father, evil is the son he produced!
        A “hanif” gave you a thrust in the night saying
        “Take that Abu Afak in spite of your age!”
        Though I knew whether it was man or jinn
        Who slew you in the dead of night (I would say naught).

        (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 675)

        And:

        When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her”, so Umayr went back to his people.

        Now there was a great commotion among B. Khatma that day about the affair of bint [girl] Marwan. She had five sons, and when Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, “I have killed bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don’t keep me waiting.” That was the first day Islam became powerful among B. Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact. The first of them to accept Islam was Umayr b. Adiy who was called the “Reader”, and Abdullah b. Aus and Khuzayma b. Thabit. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam. (Ibid., p. 676)

        SOURCE: http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/asma_afak1.htm

        There is more:

        Abu Dawud provides a couple of more examples of women being killed for disparaging Muhammad:

        Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

        A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

        He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

        He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

        Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348)

        Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

        A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349)

        Noted Islamic commentator and historian Al-Tabari mentioned another:

        In this year a raiding party led by Zayd b. Harithah set out against Umm Qirfah in the month of Ramadan. During it, Umm Qirfah (Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr) suffered a cruel death. He tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman.

        Her story is as follows. According to Ibn Humayd – Salamah – Ibn Ishaq – ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr, who said: The Messenger of God sent Zayd b. Harithah to Wadi al-Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his companions were killed there, and Zayd was carried away wounded from among the slain. One of those killed was Ward b. ‘Amr, one of the Banu Sa‘d b. Hudhaym: he was killed by one of the Banu Badr [b. Fazarah]. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing [to cleanse him] from impurity should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered from his wounds, the Messenger of God sent him with an army against the Banu Fazarah. He met them in Wadi al-Qura and inflicted causalities on them. Qays b. al-Musahhar al-Ya‘muri killed Mas‘adah b. Hakamah b. Malik b. Badr and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. (Her name was Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr. She was married to Malik b. Hudhayfah b. Badr. She was a very old woman.) He also took one of Umm Qirfah’s daughters and ‘Abdallah b. Mas‘adah prisoner. Zayd b. Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfah, and he killed her cruelly. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels, and they split her in two. Then they brought Umm Qirfah’s daughter and ‘Abdallah b. Mas‘adah to the Messenger of God. Umm Qirfah’s daughter belonged to Salamah b. ‘Amr b. al-Akwa‘, who had taken her – she was a member of a distinguished family among her people: the Arabs used to say, “Had you been more powerful than Umm Qirfah, you could have done no more.” The Messenger of God asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him. He then gave her to his maternal uncle, Hazn b. Abi Wahb and she bore him ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Hazn. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein [State University of New York Press (SUNY), Albany 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 95-97; bold emphasis ours)

        The above story is also found in Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasulullah:

        The Attack of Zaid bin Harithah against Bani Fazarah and the fate of Um Qarfah

        Ibn Ishaq narrated: When Zaid bin Harithah came back (from a battle), he vowed not to wash himself up until after he retaliated against Banu Fazarah. Once his wounds were healed, the messenger of Allah sent him to Bani Farazah with an army. Then Zaid fought them at al-Qura Valley, and he inflicted them with losses. And Qays bin Al Ma’shar Al Ya’mary killed Mas’adah bin Hakamah bin Malik bin Hudhayfah bin Badr. Also captured was Umm Qarfah Fatima bint Rabee’ah bin Badr, and she was a very old lady; her daughter and Abdullah bin Mas’adah were captured too. Then Zaid bin Harithah ordered Qays bin Al Ma’shar to kill Umm Qarfah. And he did kill her in a violent way. Then they came to the messenger of Allah and they brought with them her daughter and the son of Mas’adah. (Sirat Ibn Hisham, Part 2, translated by Mutee’a Al-Fadi; source)

        As if this weren’t bad enough, al-Tabari mentions that Muhammad ordered the beheading of the young boys of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayzah:

        The Messenger of God had commanded that all of them who had reached puberty should be killed. (The History of Al-Tabari, Volume VIII, p. 38)

        Abu Dawud informs us as to how the Muslims were able to determine whether a person had reached puberty:

        Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
        I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4390)

        Moreover, both al-Tabari and Abu Dawud confirm that Muhammad had one of the women of Banu Qurayzah beheaded:

        According to Ibn Ishaq, the conquest of the Banu Qurayzah took place in the month of Dhu al-Qa‘dah or in the beginning of Dhu al-Hijjah. Al-Waqidi, however, said that the Messenger of God attacked them a few days before the end of Dhu al-Qa‘dah. He asserted that the Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Banu Qurayzah. Then he sat down, and ‘Ali and al-Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence. He asserts that the woman whom the Prophet killed that day was named Bunanah, the wife of al-Hakam al-Qurazi- it was she who had killed Khallad b. Suwayd by throwing a milestone on him. The Messenger of God called for her and beheaded her in retaliation for Khallad b. Suwayd. (The History of Al-Tabari, Volume VIII, pp. 40-41; bold capital ours)

        Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
        No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? She said: I. I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. She said: The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2665)

        Abu Dawud also records Muhammad’s command to kill old men:

        Narrated Samurah ibn Jundub:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Kill the old men who are polytheists, but spare their children. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2664)

        There is more. When Muhammad conquered Mecca he ordered the murder of a couple of singers solely because they had made fun of him in song!

        Also among them was ‘Abdallah b. Khatal, a member of the Banu Taym b. Ghalib. The Messenger of God ordered that he should be killed only for the following reason: He was a Muslim, and the Messenger of God sent him to collect alms, sending with him one of the Ansar. With him went a mawla of his, also a Muslim, to serve him. He halted at a resting place and commanded the mawla to slaughter him a goat and make him a meal; then he went to sleep. When he woke up, the mawla had done nothing for him; so he attacked him and killed him. He had two singing girls, Fartana and another with her. The two used to sing satire about the Messenger of God; so the latter commanded that the two of them should be killed along with him…

        Also among them were ‘Ikrimah b. Abi Jahl and Sarah, a mawla of one of the sons of ‘Abd al-Muttalib. She was one of those who used to molest the Messenger of God in Mecca…

        ‘Abdallah b. Khatal was killed by Sa‘id b. Hurayth al-Makhzumi and Abu Barzah al-Aslami: the two shared in his blood. Miqyas b. Subabah was killed by Numaylah b. ‘Abdallah, a man of his own clan…

        As for Ibn Khatal’s two singing girls, one was killed and the other fled. The Messenger of God later was asked to grant her a promise of safety, and he did so. [As for Sarah, he was asked to grant her a promise of safety, and he did so.] She lived until someone in the time of ‘Umar b. al-Khattab caused his horse to trample her at al-Abtah and killed her. Al-Huwayrith b. Nuqaydh was killed by ‘Ali b. Abi Talib.

        According to al-Waqidi: The Messenger of God commanded that six men and four women should be killed. Of the men, [al-Waqidi] mentioned those whom Ibn Ishaq named. The women he mentioned were Hind bt. ‘Utbah b. Rabi‘ah, who became a Muslim and swore allegiance; Sarah, the mawla of ‘Amr b. Hashim b. ‘Abd al-Muttalib b. ‘Abd Manaf, who was killed on that day; Quraybah, who was killed on that day; and Fartana, who lived until the caliphate of ‘Uthman. (The History of Al-Tabari, Volume VIII, pp. 179-181; bold emphasis ours)

        Muhammad’s command to kill women for mocking him conclusively shows that he was more than willing to have people murdered who would dare satirize him, and therefore corroborates the historical veracity of his ordering the death of Asma bint Marwan for writing poems against him.

        SOURCE: http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/asma_afak2.htm

        More in the next post.

  7. Jesus says:

    NOW LETS THE BIBLE DOES GOD LOVE EVERYBODY

    …..Leviticus 20:23
    ” And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED them” .The word in Leviticus 20:23 is ‘va’a kutz’ which literally means ‘to feel a loathing’and ‘abhorrence’.

    …..Psalm 5:5
    ” The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou HATEST all workers of iniquity” .The word in Psalm 5:5 is ‘nata’ which literally means ‘to hate’.

    …..Psalm 11:5
    ” The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul HATETH”. Psalms 11:5 says ‘sane’ah’ which literally means ‘to hate’.

    …..Proverbs 6:16, 19
    ” These six things doth the LORD hate … A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren” .

    …..Hosea 9:15
    ” I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.”

    …..Malachi 1:3
    ” And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.”

    …..Romans 9:13
    ” As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

    KEN U SHOULD READ UR BIBLE FIRST .

    • Ken Temple says:

      Yes, I know all about those – the holy hatred of God abides on everyone who does not repent. (Mark 1:15, John 3:36, Romans 1:18) – it seems you don’t really read all the verses.

      If you repent and trust Christ, the wrath of God is removed. Christ took the wrath of God the Father on the cross for all people from all nations who will believe and trust Him. Revelation 5:9; Romans 3:25-26

      • Jesus says:

        First u started with the contention that God of Bible loves everybody and the God of Quran does not , instead he hates wicked .Now when shown the verses u are back tracking on ur original statement . A changing argument is a sign of failed argument.

  8. Ken Temple says:

    Here is the article where Tim Winter admits that Sufism was a later development. Of course he justifies it, admits it is a later innovation, but a good innovation – that is a revealing admission. Sufi-ism was a reaction to the dry doctrinal and legalistic fiq, and also reaction to complacency and wealth – much like many Muslims are resentful and angry at Saudi’s and other Gulf Arabs for their oil and wealth and extravagence and hypocrisy.
    (No longer there, as Paul Williams deleted his blogs twice.) but one can google and search for Tim Winter, Sufism and find it.)

    See also my comments there. Paul banned my last few comments, as I recall. You can see some of my comments, but not the last ones, as he deleted those or didn’t let them through.

  9. Ken Temple says:

    First u started with the contention that God of Bible loves everybody

    Where did I write that?

    I wrote that “God is love” is about God’s nature/substance/essence; whereas in Islam that is not an emphasis nor do you have “Allah IS Mohabat محبت / محبه

    I wrote that the God of the Bible loves sinners from all nations(Revelation 5:9), and Christ died for sinners (Romans 5:8) – no where did I write that God loves all individuals in such a way that all will be saved no matter what. Many never repent and go to hell, because God’s holy anger/wrath is upon them. (John 3:36; Mark 9:48 – look up and read)

    The difference is that God demonstrates His love for sinners in all nations – some from all nations, by sending Christ to die for all those who will repent (future to the cross event, but the payment for them was made there at the cross)

    In Islam, one must first do and work and love Allah first, before He would care for them – Be good and Allah will love you, Enshall’allah – if God wills, maybe – Allah can send me to the hell-fire if He wants to – Abdullah Kunde admitted this and quoted Al Qazzali on this in one of his debates vs. Samuel Green.

    Look again at Romans 5:8 and the Qur’anic verse above. The difference is God of the Bible shows His love FIRST – that is grace. The god of Islam demands working and earning and maybe He will give it to you if you are a good boy – but no assurance.

    and the God of Quran does not , instead he hates wicked .Now when shown the verses u are back tracking on ur original statement . A changing argument is a sign of failed argument.

    Not at all; you need to go back and read more carefully and read all of the verses – slow down and look them up in your own Bible. Do you have a bible? – that you can read in context instead of Islamic polemic web-sites? I have 7 Qur’ans on my shelf that I read and refer to in addition to looking at web-sites. That is important to check out if the bloggers are being accurate or not.

  10. θ says:

    One of the most Sacred Names – not nature – of Allah is Arabic “Al Wadud” (the divine Loving). In Islam mostly (but not all) 99 Sacred Names correlate with the creations.
    Allah is the most loving One.
    Only a few Names have correlation with the nature, that is al Ahad (the One), al Wahid (the Number One), as Samad (the Absolute, infinite), al Awwal (the First), al Akhir (the Everlasting), az Zahir (the Reality, existential), al Batin (the Unseen), al Hayy (the Life), al Qayyum (the Self-Sufficient), an Nur (the Light).

    In Christianity the Love is nature of God, that is the Father and the Son have loved each other before the world began. Hence, there’s a possibility that both the Father and Son don’t care about everlasting sufferings of Non-Christians (including children) on the earth and in Hell.

    In Islam the Love is name of Allah.
    Allah’s divine love to the creations is the only way of expression available for Him, there’s no other choice. Hence there’s a possibility Allah may stop the people’s suffering in Hell.

  11. Ninja says:

    Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim)

    One of despicable sin is Raping A Dog

    So, Mr. θ should rape a dog in order for to be LOVED by his Allah

    If this is muslim’s version of LOVE , any reasonable and morally conscious human being certainly don’t want to have any part with it.

  12. θ says:

    “Ninja says:IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT ”
    Sin (Dhunub) which is mentioned above is the crime to humans, not a perversion (Fahsha).
    Sin in Qur’an has several categories:
    (i) Dhunub : injustice or crime to fellow human. (Q.12, v.29; Q.26, v.14; Q.81, v.29, Q.12, v.97).
    (ii) Sayyi’a; small sin.
    (iii) Kabair : great sin to Allah, Scriptures, Prophets, and parents.
    (iv) Fahsha: Lust and perversion.
    (v) Munkar: strange or invention in religion, known as Bida’at.

  13. Ninja says:

    Surah 3.:135 And those who, when they commit an IMMORALITY or wrong themselves [by transgression], remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins(lidhunūbihim) – and who can forgive sins(l-dhunūba) except Allah ? – and [who] do not persist in what they have done while they know.

    IMMORALITY (fahishatan) is part Dhunub

    Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim)

    One of despicable sin is Raping Your OWN MOTHER (UMMI)

    So, Mr. θ should rape HIS UMMI in order to be LOVED by his Allah

    If this is muslim’s version of LOVE , any reasonable and morally conscious human being certainly don’t want to have any part with it

  14. θ says:

    “Ninja says:One of despicable sin is Raping”

    It is a Kabair (great sin). Kabair : great sin to Allah, Scriptures, Prophets, and parents.
    Lust and perversion just relate to humans. But bestiality is a Munkar (strange or inhumane sin).

  15. Ninja says:

    θ says: great sin

    [Waal-ladhina “idha fa-’alu fahishatan “aw zalamu “anfusahum dhakaru Allaha faas-taghfaru lidhunubihim waman Yaghfiru aldh-Dhunuba “illa Allahu walam yusirru ‘ala ma fa-’alu wahum ya-’lamuna

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins; – and None can Forgive sins but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    Dhunuba is FORGIVABLE and one type of dhunub is illegal sexual intercourse (S3:135)

    Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim)

    One of despicable illegal sexual act HOMOSEXUALITY

    Mr. θ should commit HOMOSEXUALITY In order to be LOVED by his Allah, If this is muslim’s version of LOVE , any reasonable and morally conscious human being certainly don’t want to have any part with it

  16. θ says:

    Only a nature of sin between humans – Dhunub – is forgiveable by Allah with a personal repentance.
    Fahisha (lust or perversion) needs a scourging or imprisonment if it happened to be witnessed by four eyewitnesses.
    Kabair and Munkar need either death penalty or imprisonment to be purged.

  17. Ninja says:

    Since you agree Surah 3:135 does inform us that Fahisha is part of Dhunub(SIN)

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim) , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted….

  18. θ says:

    In order to follow Jesus, Christians have to commit a murder and lie by hating their brothers and the world.
    How come Gospels depict Jesus of teaching people to hate (to love less) their brothers and the world before following him, if even to just love them less is counted as a murder and a lie?
    Lk 14:26
    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    1Jn 3:15
    Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
    1Jn 4:20
    If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

  19. Ninja says:

    Love to God is incomparable with love or others, that’s the meaning of that saying

    θ says:Fahisha (lust or perversion) needs a scourging or imprisonment if it happened to be witnessed by four eyewitnesses.

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim) , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted….

  20. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Love to God is incomparable with love or others, that’s the meaning of that saying”

    To show the love, Christians need to hate humans, to murder, and to lie.
    In Islam, to hate a Dhimmi means to hate Allah and Prophet Muhammad.

  21. Ninja says:

    In christianity to love others we have emptied ourself perception of Love and received God kind of Love

    To subjugate another human being is how muslim behaves

    θ says:Fahisha (lust or perversion) needs a scourging or imprisonment if it happened to be witnessed by four eyewitnesses.

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim) , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted….

  22. θ says:

    Mt 15
    26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
    Jn 8
    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    It is never in Islam to make hatred, murder, and lie 3 requirements to “love” God.
    It explains a Moral corruption of Christians that it is okay to be a murderer and a liar like Devil in order to love Jesus.
    How come Gospels depict Jesus of teaching people to hate (to love less) their brothers and the world before following him, if even to just love them less is counted as a murder and a lie?
    Lk 14:26
    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

  23. Ninja says:

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim)
    Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim)

    , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted….

    —————
    in order to be loved by Allah you have to cheat lie and spread HIV AIDS to your wife

    despicable

  24. Ninja says:

    In christianity to love others we have emptied ourself perception of Love and received God kind of Love

    There’s is no love greater compare to the Love of God , that’s why a christian should receive the love of God so he can love other (1 John)

    To subjugate another human being is how muslim behaves

    θ says:Fahisha (lust or perversion) needs a scourging or imprisonment if it happened to be witnessed by four eyewitnesses.

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim) , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted….

  25. θ says:

    “Ninja says:LOVES SCOURGING ”

    Heb 12
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
    Jn 2
    15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

  26. Ninja says:

    θ says:If ye endure chastening

    LOL so you mean the TWO RIGHT HANDS OF GOD SCOURGE you ?

    What a Mujassimmah

    θ says:Fahisha (lust or perversion) needs a scourging or imprisonment if it happened to be witnessed by four eyewitnesses.

    And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask Forgiveness for their sins(DHUNUB); – and None can Forgive sins(DHUNUB) but Allah – and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
    Surah (Chapter) Al‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran) 3:135

    reference : http://www.islamepedia.in/stories.php?id=3&tid=1521 ]

    And Dhunub(SIN) has to be conducted in order to be LOVED by Allah(according to Sahih Muslim) , then surely ALLAH LOVES SCOURGING ( I think Allah it also shows Allah is also a masochist addict, isn’t he?)

    In order to be LOVED you ought ot get SCOURGED ! to satisfy a MASOCHIST ALLAH

    Wow so twisted…

  27. θ says:

    Not only the cords, Christians shall show their hatred by using the rods to be a scourge of the world, till all sinners would be killed (hence they shall be murderers).
    Rev 2
    26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

  28. Ninja says:

    Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim)

    Despicable that we have to be IMMORAL IN ORDER TO EARN THE LOVE OF ALLAH

  29. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Despicable that we have to be ”

    Jesus must be a Moslem by doing these:
    Rev 2
    26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    Jn 2
    15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

  30. Ninja says:

    In REV 2 Jesus is as same as Allah conducting Judgment on Sinners
    also in John 2

    {Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim) }

    However Allah demands human to IMMORAL in order to be loved by Him

    Despicable that we have to be IMMORAL IN ORDER TO EARN THE LOVE OF ALLAH

  31. Ninja says:

    However Allah demands human to be IMMORAL in order to be loved by Him

  32. θ says:

    “Ninja says:However Allah demands human to be IMMORAL ”

    That’s why Jesus obeyed:
    Lk 14
    26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

  33. Ninja says:

    Lk 14
    26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and HIS OWN LIFE also, he cannot be my disciple.

    HOW CAN A PERSON HAS HATE WHEN HE/SHE SURRENDERING HIS OWN LIFE / PERSONAL FEELING OR INTEREST TO GOD ?

    {Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim) }

    However Allah demands human to IMMORAL in order to be loved by Him

  34. θ says:

    “Ninja says:However Allah demands human to IMMORAL in order to be loved by Him”

    That’s why Jesus obeyed:
    Lk 14
    26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

  35. Ninja says:

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and HIS OWN LIFE also, he cannot be my disciple.

    HOW CAN A PERSON HAS HATE WHEN HE/SHE SURRENDERING HIS OWN LIFE / PERSONAL FEELING OR INTEREST TO GOD ?

    {Abu Huraira reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, IF YOU WERE NOT TO COMMIT SIN, ALLAH WOULD SWEEP YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allaah, and He would have pardoned them. . (Sahih Muslim) }

    However Allah demands human to be IMMORAL in order to be loved by Him

  36. θ says:

    “Ninja says:HOW CAN A PERSON HAS HATE WHEN HE/SHE SURRENDERING HIS OWN LIFE / PERSONAL FEELING OR INTEREST TO GOD ?”

    Islam is the religion of surrender, hence Prophet Muhammad must be unable to hate.

  37. Ninja says:

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I curse and he in no way deserves it, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

    but u should agree Muhammad is sort of UNSTABLE EMOTIONALLY , right ?

  38. θ says:

    “Ninja says:HOW CAN A PERSON HAS HATE WHEN HE/SHE SURRENDERING HIS OWN LIFE / PERSONAL FEELING OR INTEREST TO GOD ?”

    Islam is the religion of surrender, hence Prophet Muhammad must be unable to hate.

  39. Ninja says:

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I CURSE AND HE IN NO WAY DESERVES IT, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

    but u should agree Muhammad is sort of UNSTABLE EMOTIONALLY , right ? since HE’S CURSING AN INNOCENT LITTLE ORPHAN

  40. θ says:

    “Ninja says:is sort of UNSTABLE EMOTIONALLY”

    In the Bible, Jesus will be the killers of innocent children rather than being a killer of Dajjal and of pigs.
    Rev 2:23
    And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

  41. Ninja says:

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I CURSE AND HE IN NO WAY DESERVES IT, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

    but u should agree Muhammad is sort of UNSTABLE EMOTIONAL person , right ? since HE’S CURSING AN INNOCENT LITTLE ORPHAN.

  42. θ says:

    In the Bible, Jesus will be the killers of innocent children rather than being a killer of Dajjal and of pigs.
    Rev 2:23
    And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

  43. Ninja says:

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I CURSE AND HE IN NO WAY DESERVES IT, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

    but u should agree Muhammad is sort of UNSTABLE EMOTIONAL person , right ? since HE’S CURSING AN INNOCENT LITTLE ORPHAN.

    Muhammad surely needs some COMFORT

  44. θ says:

    In the Bible, children should be scourged to prove they aren’t bastard:
    Heb 12
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

  45. Ninja says:

    θ says:Heb 12

    do you mean Two RIGHT HANDS O THIS ALIEN BEING SCOURGING ? please leave out this Mujassimah interpretation…

  46. θ says:

    Rev 2:23
    And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

  47. θ says:

    “I am he”

    I have been wondering why Sam Shamoun and Biblical scholars never use Rev 2:23 to prove “divinity” of Jesus?

  48. Ninja says:

    Rev 2:23, there’s nothing wrong with ‘metaphorical’ interpretation, don’t be such a MUJASSIMAH in every interpretation will you ?

  49. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Rev 2:23, there’s nothing wrong with ‘metaphorical’ interpretation”

    Child-killer is trying to claim “not guilty”?

  50. Ninja says:

    Child-killer?

    Whose child ?

  51. θ says:

    ” I am he ” is a child-killer or what?
    Rev 2:23
    And I will kill her children with death

  52. Ninja says:

    so that’s the answer, the children are some of those who following his heretical teaching

  53. Ninja says:

    his =her

  54. θ says:

    It is a sin to be a child-killer for the sin of their mother.

  55. Ninja says:

    It is a sin to be a child-killer++

    What child? the followers are all grown ups

    please leave your heretical Mujassimah mindset

  56. θ says:

    “Ninja says:It is a sin to be a child-killer++What child? the followers are all grown ups”

    Children aren’t grown up

  57. Ninja says:

    Children aren’t grown up, certainly the verse describes it that way ,please please leave your heretical Mujassimah mindset, will u ?

  58. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Children aren’t grown up, certainly the verse describes it that way ”

    It is a sin to be a child-killer for the sin of their mother.

  59. Ninja says:

    Children aren’t grown up, certainly the verse describes THE FULL GROWN UPS AS FOLLOWERS of Jezebel that way

  60. θ says:

    “Ninja says: verse describes THE FULL GROWN UPS AS FOLLOWERS of Jezebel that way”

    The verse mentions “Children”, are your words the new verses?

  61. Ninja says:

    The verse mentions “Children” to describes those heretic who follow Jezebel, are you sober?

  62. θ says:

    “Ninja says: The verse mentions “Children” to describes those heretic who follow Jezebel,”

    Well, you are a heretic to trample the verse “Children” with your words?
    Is it okay to be a Child-killer and the murderer of heretics?

  63. Ninja says:

    The verse mentions “Children” to describes those FULL GROWN UPS heretic who follow Jezebel,”

    What are you fantasizing about ?

    Jesus is not Allah who kills an innocent boy through Khdir without any cause

  64. θ says:

    Khidr is angel, not Jesus, Khidr’s presence is signed by a living water.
    Well, you are a heretic to trample the verse “Children” with your words?
    Is it okay to be a Child-killer and the murderer of heretics?

  65. Ninja says:

    Khidr is angel, and Jesus is God

    Is it okay for Allah to be a Child-killer and the murderer of heretics?

  66. θ says:

    “Ninja says:Is it okay for Allah to be a Child-killer and the murderer of heretics?”

    No, Allah never kills the children.
    Jesus is a killer of children and heretics.

  67. Ninja says:

    Is it okay for Allah to be a Child-killer and the murderer of heretics?

    so Khdir killed the innocent child without Allah permission ?

  68. θ says:

    “Ninja says:so Khdir killed the innocent child without Allah permission ?”

    Every evilness can’t occur without permission of God. But God never kills.
    Jesus is a killer of children and heretics.

  69. Ninja says:

    But Allah HAS NO POWER to kill?

    poor Allah then…

  70. θ says:

    Jesus is a killer of children and heretics. So Jesus is not God.

  71. Ninja says:

    Allah HAS NO POWER to kill children and heretics. So Allah is not God.

  72. θ says:

    “Ninja says:HAS NO POWER to kill children and heretics. ”

    A killer has no eternal life. So by being a killer, Jesus is not God.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  73. Ninja says:

    Allah as a killer has no eternal life. So by being a killer, Allah is not God.

  74. θ says:

    Allah is not bound to a writing of a mortal John.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  75. Ninja says:

    -Khidr KILLED an Innocent Child
    -Every evilness can’t occur without permission of God
    -Khidr is an angel

    KHIDR IS EVIL ANGEL ?

    R u Muslim ?

  76. θ says:

    No, Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  77. Ninja says:

    -Khidr KILLED an Innocent Child
    -Every evilness can’t occur without permission of God
    -Khidr is an angel

    KHIDR IS EVIL ANGEL ?

    And Allah HAS NO POWER TO KILL, you say ?

    R u Muslim ?

  78. θ says:

    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
    Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.

  79. Ninja says:

    -Khidr KILLED an Innocent Child
    -Every evilness can’t occur without permission of God
    -Khidr is an angel

    KHIDR IS EVIL ANGEL ?

    And Allah HAS NO POWER TO KILL, you say ?

    R u Muslim ?

    So what? Allah has no power to take life at all ?

  80. θ says:

    “Ninja says:So what Allah has no power to takes life at all ?”

    If Allah also took life, the angels of death would be out of job in vain.
    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
    Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.

  81. Ninja says:

    So the angel of death is EVIL and Allah can’t stop the evilness of angel of death ?
    Khdiir is also evil for killing an innocent Child witohut Allah permision ?

  82. θ says:

    Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.
    If Allah also took life, the angels of death would be out of job in vain.
    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  83. Ninja says:

    So the angel of death is EVIL and Allah can’t stop the evilness of angel of death ?
    Khdiir is also evil for killing an innocent Child witohut Allah permision ?

    How can an innocent child be killed by servant of Allah (Khdir ) without Allah permission?

  84. θ says:

    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  85. Ninja says:

    How can an innocent child be killed by servant of Allah (Khdir ) without Allah permission?

    How can you accuse Khdir to be EVIL ?

  86. θ says:

    Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.

    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  87. Ninja says:

    How can an innocent child be killed by servant of Allah (Khdir ) without Allah permission?

    How can you accuse Khdir to be EVIL ? so it’s ok to a servant of Allah to kill without Allah’s permission?

    So Allah has no power at all to kill then ?

  88. θ says:

    If Allah also took life, the angels of death would be out of job in vain. Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.
    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  89. Ninja says:

    How can an innocent child be killed by servant of Allah (Khdir ) without Allah permission?

    How can you accuse Khdir to be EVIL ? so it’s ok to a servant of Allah to kill without Allah’s permission?

    So Allah has no power at all to kill then ?

    And of course Muhammad cursed an INNOCENT child out of his humanity

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I curse and he in no way deserves it, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

  90. θ says:

    If Allah also took life, the angels of death would be out of job in vain.
    According to John, Jesus is a killer so he doesn’t have eternal life.Moslems and angels are not bound to a writing of John.
    1Jn 3
    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

  91. Ninja says:

    How can an innocent child be killed by servant of Allah (Khdir ) without Allah permission?

    How can you accuse Khdir to be EVIL ? so it’s ok to a servant of Allah to kill without Allah’s permission?

    So Allah has no power at all to kill then ?

    And of course Muhammad cursed an INNOCENT child out of his humanity

    I AM A HUMAN BEING and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I LOSE TEMPER JUST AS A HUMAN BEING LOSES TEMPER, so for any person from amongst my Ummah whom I curse and he in no way deserves it, let that, O Lord, be made a source of purification and purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6297)

  92. θ says:

    (i) Only a monster sends his son to hell.
    Moslems would not get grieved by the people who can’t see the monster who sends his son to hell for sins he never did, who forced his son to drink a cup of devil to death, who abandoned his son to die alone, who just dismissed his son’s tearful prayer for help.

    (ii) One of the unpleasant religious baggage that Moslems have to believe in is a bitter fact that the Jewish Prophets were violent and very bad according to our Modern standard. That is supposed to be one of the biggest reason to not believe in any Prophets at all, but Moslems overcome it.

    Worse, Christians believe Jesus is no one else but Jehovah who commands them to commit violence. If they refused his commands, the eternal hellfire awaits them.

    (iii) Fact-checking of the life of Prophet Muhammad.
    Prophet Muhammad didn’t kill the Mekkah’s heathens. The land of Jewish Medinah doesn’t get inherited by Fatimah (his daughter). He just lived in a modest house before and after conquest. He doesn’t expect his pupils to wash his feet with the oil.

    The killing of dissenters is a myth. Rather, a violent response is prevented by Prophet Muhammad from being inflicted by certain Moslems upon the main leader of Medinah’s insulter, Salul Ibn Ubayy.

    Prophet’s Mut’ah (temporary marriage with the agreement of female captives) has been outlawed.
    Prophet’s underage marriage is a myth. Aisha still anachronistically called herself a young girl (Jariyah) when she returned again to Mekka from Medinah.
    Prophet’s incestuous marriage with son’s wife is a myth. Prophet Muhammad doesn’t have a son.

  93. θ says:

    Sacred Names of Allah: Rauf and Wadud.
    One of Allah’s sacred Name is “Rauf”, the One of perfected Love, as Allah is equally compassionate toward all mankind, both evil and good (Q.2, v.143). The same word “Raufat” in Quran 57:27 is used to enjoin Moslems to accept the same compassion theology (Golden Rule) of Jesus, as Moslems should walk in perfection as Allah is perfect.

    Nowhere does Qur’an command Moslems to hate or kill or fear the Non-Moslems without reason.
    How can Moslems hate Non-Moslems if in facts:
    (i) Qur’an says Christians are more closer to Moslems (Q,5, v.82). Qur’an uses the word “Mawaddah” (Reciprocal Love) from another sacred Name of Allah “Wadud” (Loving One).

    (ii) Qur’an says Jews are the only valid external witnesses for affirming that Islam is true Monotheism (Q.46, v.10).

    (iii) Qur’an says the life and rights of heathen civilians should be preserved to live at the peaceful place (Q.9, v.6).

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