Debate: Can God Become a man? James White vs. Abdullah Kunde

In Abdullah’s closing statement at the end:
2:25:56 – “ now God gave Himself, according to the Christians, and you know, I mean, that is beautiful . . . “ but you know what, we have so much more to be thankful for . . . air, food . . . ability to stand here and speak . . . we need to be more thankful . . . for existence itself . . . “

“Now, I certainly do appreciate . . . I do appreciate the idea God being so holy that we must have a mediator is beautiful, in fact its quite humbling, and I will be quite frank with you, I find it hard to listen to that 15 or 12 minutes of sermon, and not feel emotionally impressed.”  Abdullah Kunde

Apologetics and Agape

around 2:21:00 Abdullah talks about certainty – yaqin – یقین

Interesting that that is the word used in Surah 4:157 – “for certain they did not kill Him” Yet, established historical fact is against the Qur’an on this.

In Abdullah’s closing statement at the end:
2:25:56 – “ now God gave Himself, according to the Christians, and you know, I mean, that is beautiful . . . “ but you know what, we have so much more to be thankful for . . . air, food . . . ability to stand here and speak . . . we need to be more thankful . . . for existence itself . . . “

“Now, I certainly do appreciate . . . I do appreciate the idea God being so holy that we must have a mediator is beautiful, in fact its quite humbling, and I will be quite frank with…

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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2 Responses to Debate: Can God Become a man? James White vs. Abdullah Kunde

  1. Little Lamb says:

    1.Muslim Objection: Is the Father also the “Word of God” ?
    Response: your question is the same as ‘is Allah also the Kalamullah (Word of Allah) ?

    2.Muslim Objection: Kalamullah is Allah’ attribute(Sifaa) and not another person nor hypostasis of Allah.

    Response: Nowhere in quran nor hadiths which clearly define The Word as Allah’ attribute(Sifaa). However interestingly Ibn Kathir in his tafseer recorded some authentic narration about A PERSON with white skin who would emerge in Resurrection day and introduce himself as KALAMULLAH QURAN

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir : It is also recorded in the Sahih that the Qur’an will come to its companion (who used to recite and preserve it) in the shape of a pale-faced young man. He will ask (the young man), “Who are you” He will reply, “I am the Qur’an, who made you stay up sleeplessly at night and caused you thirst in the day.(source : http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1360&Itemid=62 )

    How can muslim explain this phenomenon, since Muslim believe Quran is UNCREATED ? Is the UNCREATED PERSON of Quran is the same with Allah ?

    3.Muslim objection: How can be The Father is not the Son?
    As Allah ‘birthed’ out Kalamullah His Word so likewise the Father birthed out the Son from eternity.

    Kalamullah came from Allah, Allah didn’t come from Kalamullah yet still Allah &Kalamullah are both EQUALLY All mighty & eternal. , likewise the relation between Father & Son

  2. Little Lamb says:

    4. Moslem Argues : Jesus was the “word of God in body & flesh on earth”, how did God speak these “words” to Jesus ? Is there more than one person who is the “word of God”, in addition to Jesus ?

    Response: According to majority of sunni moslem ( Ashari madhab & Maturidi Madhab) the ‘true’ Word of God is not letters nor sounds. ALL Quranic letters & sentences that we read and hear were CREATED.
    The Ashari Sunnis based on story of Moses describe Allah’ uncreated speech as something that understandable to Moses although it was not letters/ language/ sounds/ words. This view is obviously irrational & ambiguous

    On the other hand Maturidi Sunnis have a more logical view where they believe Allah’ Uncreated speech is something that can’t be defined nor comprehended
    Christian also believe in two nature of The Word of God , The Uncreated Living Word and His manifestation (sound & language). Two milenia ago The Uncreated Living Word came to earth and Incarnated, and whenever The Father spoke, he actually released ‘the manifestation’ of The Word
    Remember Christian and Sunni Muslim (especially Maturidis) agree The Uncreated Speech is not letters/ language/ sounds/ words
    One compelling fact both Maturidis and Asharis define this uncreated speech as Kalam Al-Nafs,
    Arabic word nafs is translated as “inspiration/idea”. However most common definition of Al-Nafs is A PERSON.
    Funny how musllim question something that they themselves still in confusion.

    (P.S Feel free in editing or even not to post this writing)

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