Paul Williams bans me again [temporarily], just for answering questions with reason and Scripture

Paul Williams, a British Muslim, doesn’t like it when I offer Scriptural answers to Muslims’ questions.

Burhanaddin1 asked me about the Deity of Christ and the Trinity; I answered with Scriptural texts and sought to explain it.  Paul and Burhanaddin1 don’t like it when I answer with Scripture verses.

I wonder what they are afraid of?

Paul and Burhanaddin1 don’t mind interacting with a Unitarian and other non-Christian anti-Trinitarians, (or Christians who don’t use Scripture, it seems) but they cannot handle an Evangelical who uses Scripture in his answers.  Seems contradictory to the Qur’an also, since the Qur’an affirms the previous Scriptures. (Surah 2:136; 5:46-48; 10:94; 29:46)

See here.

David Kemball-Cook
July 26, 2014 • 9:07 pm
Hi Ken
What biblical distinction is there between ‘God’ and ‘the Father’?

Regards
David

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Ken Temple
July 27, 2014 • 9:30 pm
Depends on the context.

When Theos / θεος is used for God, it is usually referring to “the Father” in the NT; but not always.

Here are verses that use “Theos” to refer to the Son:

Romans 9:5
Hebrews 1:8
John 28:20
John 1:1 (the word was God = the Son); but “the word was with God” = with God the Father
1 John 5:20

The Holy Spirit is called “Theos” (God) in Acts 5:3-5

So, God can be referring to the Divine nature (in either the Son or Spirit), or it can be referring to the Father.

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Ken Temple
July 27, 2014 • 9:31 pm
oops – typo – I meant John 20:28; not 28:20

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 7:16 am
Denis G. didn’t prove anything. He offered explanations. Do you agree with Denis G. that God is like a split brain patient?

Do you agree with erasmus that God is 3 persons in 3 beings and Jesus is a human person?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 12:48 pm
God is One God in substance/nature/essence (Mark 12:29; Deut. 6:4, Isaiah chapters 40-48, I Timothy 2:5), eternally existing in three persons in a perfect spiritual love relationship. “God is Love” (I John 4:8), means God is relationship from all eternity. Only the Triune God, who is unique and the only pure relationship of love; He is the only one who can fill your heart of longing for relationship with the Creator, since only He is the creator. “split brain patient” – no. Jesus is one Divine person with 2 natures, a human nature and a Divine nature. His Divine nature was from all eternity, being the eternal Son, the eternal Word (John 1:1-5), who in time, took on flesh; that is, He took on an additional human nature. (John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-11)

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 2:02 pm
Why do you keep silent when false “trinitarian” Gods or Jesuses are presented by self-appointed “trinitarians”?

A Jesus who is a human person is a fake Jesus, isn’t he?
A God who is like a split-brain patient is not your God, is he?

Is God one person in two natures?

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 2:16 pm
“His Divine nature was from all eternity, being the eternal Son, the eternal Word…”

Seems you are confusing and conflating “nature” and “person” here”. Remember: there is only ONE divine nature, isn’t there? Is the Son’s nature the same as the Father’s? Are you saying the Father’s Divine nature was from all eternity, being the eternal Son, the eternal Word …?

Please never never ever confuse “nature” and person”.
“The one what is the one Being or essence of God; the three who’s are the Father, Son, and Spirit. We dare not mix up the what’s and who’s regarding the Trinity.” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 27).

You seem to worship a false Jesus too. Oh dear.

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 2:43 pm
No, I am not confusing “nature” and “person”. God is One in nature, three in person. What I wrote is totally consistent with what James White wrote. We totally agree with each other and that is standard Christian doctrine in all of church history. Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox all agree with each other on the doctrine of the Trinity and the Deity of Christ.

It is you who have a false Jesus. The Isa of Islam is false, since you deny that He is God in the flesh and you deny His crucifixion and resurrection. But even the Qur’an calls Him “Kalamat Allah” کلمه الله – the truth is there in the Qur’an, but it contradicts the truth by also saying that He was only a man and only a messenger. Jesus is a prophet for sure, but more than a prophet.

The Qur’an also affirms the substitutionary atonement that was prophesied and foreshadowed and foretold in Genesis 22. Surah Al Saffat 37:107 – “We ransomed Him with a mighty sacrifice.” و فدینه بذبح عظیم By affirming the truth of Genesis 22, Muhammad affirmed the truth of substitutionary atonement and redemption. فدینه is from the word for “redemption”, فدا ، فدیه The innocent ram in Genesis 22, (and lambs, goats, sheep in Exodus 12, book of Leviticus, Isaiah 53) – all point to the sins being layed on the innocent victim and being sacrificed ذبح / slaughtered in the place of the guilty humans/sinners. “The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and give His life a ransom (فد یه، فدا ) for many.” Mark 10:45

Jesus Al Masih عیسی المسیح is the fulfillment of all that Old Testament teaching on sacrifice, substitutionary atonement.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 2:52 pm
What do mean by “His Divine nature was from all eternity, being the eternal Son, the eternal Word…”?
Does the Son have a different nature from the Father? No, according to trinitarianism there is only one nature.

If the Son’s nature from all eternity is being the Son, then it follows The Father’s nature from all eternity is being the Son. Ouch. Sounds like some ill theology.

Or you are confusing “nature” and “person”. Simple as that. No need to preach or throwing red herrings.

Is God one person in two natures?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 2:59 pm
No; God is One nature in three persons. You mis-understand the point that Jesus was the Word from all eternity past – John 1:1 – “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” His nature was always one with the Father’s nature, but they are three persons in personal spiritual relationship of love. The Father’s nature is God, the Son’s nature is God, the Holy Spirit’s nature is God, but the three are three divine persons, in love relationship. Only the Trinity is the true God relationship. Your Allah is not love nor relationship; therefore Allah of Islam cannot fill your heart with love or truth or relationship. Allah in Islam is just a lonely dictator, Al Jabbar, the very best deceiver – خیر المکارین = Surah 3:54

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 3:12 pm
So Jesus is not God. Jesus is one person in two natures.

Three “Who’s” sharing one “What” are three “Who’s”, not one Who. Despite your claims, despite your special pleading.

Why does your “God” (who is not the triune God) deceive people until this day (see Erasmus) making them believe he is a human person when he is NO human person at all?

There are Millions and Millions of Christians worshipping a false God (a human person called Jesus). Is it their fault? Can’t your “God” come straight? He left his “family” in the Bible wondering if he was gone mad … why didn’t he tell them I cannot be mad, as I am NOT a human person? What a deceiver!

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 3:20 pm
Jesus is both a human and God, One person with 2 natures. He always spoke the truth and is the truth.

37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” 38 Pilate *said to Him, “What is truth?”

And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews and *said to them, “I find no guilt in Him.

John 18:37-38

John 14:6 – Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one can come to the Father except through Me.”

You cannot know God except through coming to Jesus as the Truth, the one mediator, the God-man, the substitute for your sins. You must repent of your sinful, prideful heart and realize that your external wuzu cannot cleanse your heart – you need a new heart. You must be born again. John 3:1-10; Ezekiel 36:26-27. Repent and believe the gospel. Mark 1:15

Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 3:27 pm
“Only the Trinity is the true God relationship.” Erasmus claims he has “a true God relationship” with his “God” = Jesus who is a human person.
Im sure you agree he must be deceived by his personal Jesus, as a Jesus who is a human person must be a fake Jesus.

What makes you so sure you are not deceived, apart from blind faith in the teachings of men?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:38 pm
True believers in Jesus have assurance because Jesus and His apostles told us in the 27 NT books that we have the promise of forgiveness and salvation through repentance and faith in Him. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice . . . ” John 10:27-30, 1 John 5:13 I know I am not deceived because God cannot lie – Titus 1:2 “. . . the God who cannot lie” But your Allah in the Qur’an lies – He is the very best deceiver/trickster / schemer خیر المکارین – Surah 3:54

Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 3:34 pm
Ken Temple: I asked you “Is God one person in two natures?”
You answered. “No; God is One nature in three persons”

Then you claim “Jesus is both a human and God, One person with 2 natures.”

I see no reason to believe any of your preaching as you are blatantly contradicting yourself.

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:40 pm
It is not a contradiction. I fee sorry for you that you cannot understand. When Jesus takes on an additional nature, a human one, with His divine nature, it is not a contradiction. Only the Son Jesus takes on an additional nature.

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:42 pm
I feel sorry for you.

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Paul
July 28, 2014 • 4:57 pm
Ken you might find your exchanges on this blog to be more fruitful if you did not preach at people and bombard us with proof texts.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 3:52 pm
Ken Temple: “Repent and believe the gospel. Mark 1:15″
I am claiming to do exactly that “Repent and believe the gospel.” I do not want you to superimpose your irrational belief on my reality. Who are you to tell me I cannot know God? I find your attitude arrogant and insulting, sinful.

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:41 pm
You have not repented and you do not believe the gospel, since you reject Jesus and you reject His atoning death on the cross. You are still dead in your sins. Ephesians 2:1-3; Genesis 6:5; Mark 7:20-23; Matthew 5:21-30.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 4:47 pm
Who do you think you are?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:51 pm
Who do you think you are?

Read those verses and you will learn who you are. A sinner in need of Al Masih as Savior and Lord. Jesus is Lord and Master over you, so repent and submit to His Lordship.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 4:55 pm
Why do you sin and do not repent?

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Paul
July 28, 2014 • 5:00 pm
OK folks that’s enough preaching and counter preaching. Lets have some more elevated discourse

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 4:52 pm
We have authority to proclaim the gospel, because Jesus died and rose from the dead, and gave us that authority to preach to you.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 4:54 pm
Ken Temple: “True believers in Jesus have assurance because Jesus and His apostles told us in the 27 NT books that we have the promise of forgiveness and salvation through repentance and faith in Him.”

Is someone who believes Jesus is a human person a true believer in Jesus? Is someone who believes God is like a split-brain patient a true believer in Jesus?

If not, do you feel sorry for them?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 5:01 pm
Is someone who believes Jesus is a human person a true believer in Jesus?

Do they also accept His full Deity?

They are not true believers if they ONLY believe is a human person and nothing more.

Jesus Al Masih said, “Truly truly I say to you, unless you believe that I am [ “I am” = the name of God, “Yahweh” in the Old Testament, Exodus 3:14, John 8:56-58; Isaiah 43:10-13; Isaiah 41:4], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 5:03 pm
Proof texts – so you are unwilling to read the Holy Scriptures? Allah told Muhammad to ask the people of the book – Surah Yunis Nabi 10:94

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Paul
July 28, 2014 • 5:06 pm
Ken – you have only been allowed back for 5 minutes on this blog and already you are being a pain. You seem to just have one mode of communication with non Christians – preach at them. Can you not just have a normal conversation?

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Ken Temple
July 28, 2014 • 5:08 pm
What would you like to discuss? Don’t you also believe in the Holy Scriptures and your own Da’wa ?

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Paul
July 28, 2014 • 5:13 pm
Ken you are banned (yet again!).

Until you choose to conduct yourself in a fitting manner like David Kemball-Cook and Erasmus (see the Is it logically possible that Jesus died? discussion) you are not welcome on this blog.

Until then – go and preach at people somewhere else.

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Burhanuddin1
July 28, 2014 • 5:10 pm
Ken, cut the preaching and prooftexting, I’m not impressed.

Is someone who believes Jesus is 2 persons (one divine, one human) in two natures a true believer in Jesus?
Is someone who believes God is like a split-brain patient a true believer in Jesus?
Is someone who believes God is 3 persons in 3 beings a true believer in Jesus?

If not, do you feel sorry for them? If you feel sorry for them, why don’t you preach to them and present them with your proof texts?

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Paul
July 28, 2014 • 5:15 pm
I have banned Ken. He is just a troll.

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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