Expert’s Evidence for Jesus’ Crucifixion

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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7 Responses to Expert’s Evidence for Jesus’ Crucifixion

  1. θ says:

    If the crucifixion were unanimously conclusive, why does the world have the earlier writing of the 100-200 AD Decotists who believe in the substitution of Jesus with someone or something which replaced him on the cross?
    The Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter was written at the same time, even much earlier, than 4 canonical books:
    100-150 AD (Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter)
    100-150 AD (1 Timothy)
    100-150 AD (2 Timothy)
    100-150 AD (Titus)
    100-160 AD (2 Peter)

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Apocalypse_of_Peter
    The Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter is a text found amongst the Nag Hammadi library, and part of the New Testament apocrypha.
    Like the vast majority of texts in the Nag Hammadi collection, it is heavily gnostic. It was probably written around 100-200 AD.
    Since the surviving text, although likely to have been translated from an original Greek version, is in Coptic, it is also known as the Coptic Apocalypse of Peter.
    The text takes gnostic interpretations of the crucifixion to the extreme, picturing Jesus as laughing and warning against people who cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking they shall become pure.
    According to this text:
    “He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me.”

  2. Ken Temple says:

    All the 4 gospels were written in the first century AD; well before the 2nd Century Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter.
    Mark 45-60 AD
    Matthew 50-60 AD
    Luke 61 AD
    Acts 62 AD
    John 80-90 AD, but some argue for 67-68 AD.

    The crucifixion is conclusive in those books, and they are much earlier that the Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter.

    1, 2, Timothy, Titus and 2 Peter are not as late as you said. Those are liberal scholars datings.

    But conservative scholars put 1 Timothy and Titus between 63-66 AD and 2 Timothy in 67 AD.
    2 Peter also is 67 AD, before he was martyred by Nero.

    I don’t accept the liberal scholar’s dating.

    • θ says:

      The Islamic point of using the dating of Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter is primarily to counter the use of Josephus’ forgery and Tacitus’ unknown writing which Christians often cited to argue about Jesus’ crucifixion outside of the Bible.

  3. Ken Temple says:

    All Scholars pretty much agree that there is an authentic kernel of the original Josephus testimony of Jesus:

    “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of startling deeds, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. And he gained a following both among many Jews and many of Greek origin. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

    Tacitus – Annals (15.44) is not “unknown”.

    The gospels earlier are like 4 witnesses, one on each corner of a street car accident. At least 2-3 witnesses. Very strong. Crucifixion established history.

  4. θ says:

    “Ken Temple says : All Scholars pretty much agree that there is an authentic kernel of the original Josephus testimony of Jesus:”

    1. Christian belief (“he was the Messiah”) is unlikely coming from a Jewish writer

    2. Christian writers earlier than Eusebius do not cite the passage, Origen states that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Messiah.
    Nobody had ever cited Josephus “Testimonium Flavianum” for 300 years, even a Christian writer (Origen) intentionally overlooked & dismissed it.

    3. The passage “Testimonium Flavianum” is inserted in a rush as it breaks the continuity of the narrative concerning Pilate.

    4. There are stylistic anomalies that are not found in Josephus’ writings, such as the use of the first person in passage “the principal men among us”.

    Tacitus – Annals (15.44) was a mysterious, unknown, writing.
    1. Today’s surviving copy of Annals is written in Latin, not Greek, so it is less reliable.
    2. Surviving Latin copy had never been known publicly before 11th century (that is, about 500 years after Qur’an).
    3. A very important passage to Jesus’ death (of the original Tacitus’ Annals in Greek) was never known, nor cited, nor mentioned, nor referenced ever by any Christian theologian from 1st to 5th century (Greek era), nor from 5th to 10th century (Latin era).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
    No original copies of the Annals exist and the surviving copies of Tacitus’ works derive from two principal manuscripts, known as the Medicean manuscripts, written in Latin, which are held in the Laurentian Library in Florence, Italy.[13] It is the second Medicean manuscript, 11th century and from the Benedictine abbey at Monte Cassino, which is the oldest surviving copy of the passage describing Christians.[14]

    Scholars generally agree that these copies were written at Monte Cassino and the end of the document refers to Abbas Raynaldus cu… who was most probably one of the two abbots of that name at the abbey during that period.[14]

    • Ken Temple says:

      I guess you don’t know what I mean by “authentic kernel”.

      • θ says:

        “Ken Temple says: I guess you don’t know what I mean by “authentic kernel”.”

        Perhaps it is just an euphemism for saving face since the scholars don’t know who wrote the forgery. To keep Josephus’ reputation and the respect of antiquities scholarship, the scholars need to reach an agreement that allows both sides to save face.

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