Paul Williams refuted in old articles

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/03/the-uncorrupted-injeel.html

And remember, Paul Williams even admitted Islamic scholar Abdel Haleem told him the Qur’an does not say that the Bible was corrupted.  But he took that old web-site down.

“According to Paul Williams, world-renowned Islamic scholar Abdel Haleem confirmed for him in a phone conversation one of the two claims that Christians often make regarding the Bible. In the view of Professor Haleem, the Qur’an does NOT teach that the Bible was corrupted. Instead, it teaches that the Bible has been misinterpreted. Prof. Haleem’s statements in this connection, as PW says, “put Muslim apologist Bassam Zawadi (who has argued many times for the view that the Quran teaches textual corruption) in the wrong.” This, as Paul Williams also says, serves to “vindicate the oft-stated views of Sam Shamoun and David Wood.”
(Summary by Anthony Rogers)  (see at link above)

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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8 Responses to Paul Williams refuted in old articles

  1. Sam Shamoun says:

    Ken,

    Can you post this here, right after Jason’s comment, since that coward Williams has blocked me from posting? Much appreciated.

    Jason is a beautiful example of why Muslims really have no business doing apologetics because they keep embarrassing their profit proving that he didn’t know what he was talking about.

    First, if Jesus receiving authority or glory somehow proves that he cannot be God then this means Jason’s god cannot be God (and he can’t but for other reasons), since the Quran claims that Allah receives an inheritance from his creatures:

    Those who are tight-fisted with the bounty Allah has given them should not suppose that that is better for them. No indeed, it is worse for them! What they were tight-fisted with will be hung around their necks on the Day of Rising. ALLAH IS THE INHERITOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH and Allah is aware of what you do. S. 3:180 Aisha Bewley

    It is We who give life, and make to die, AND IT IS WE WHO ARE THE INHERITORS. S. 15:23 Arberry

    AND WE SHALL INHERIT FROM HIM that whereof he spake, and he will come unto Us, alone (without his wealth and children). S. 19:40 Pickthall

    SURELY WE SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH AND ALL THAT ARE UPON IT, and unto Us they shall be returned. S. 19:80 Arberry

    Allah is even said to be the best among those who receive an inheritance, which places him in the same category with his creatures!

    And Zachariah, when he cried unto his Lord: My Lord! Leave me not childless, though THOU ART THE BEST OF INHERITORS. S. 21:89 Pickthall

    In fact one of the names of Allah is al-Warith, “the Heir”!

    It gets worse for Allah since the Quran says that Allah actually takes out loans from his creatures:

    WHO IS HE THAT WILL LEND TO ALLAH A GOODLY LOAN so that He may multiply it to him many times? And it is Allah that decreases or increases (your provisions), and unto Him you shall return. S. 2:245 Hilali-Khan

    Lo! those who give alms, both men and women, AND LEND UNTO ALLAH A GOODLY LOAN, it will be doubled for them, and theirs will be a rich reward. S. 57:18 Pickthall

    Now to use Jason’s words, “How in the HELL can Allah be given money and receive an inheritance from anyone when he is supposed the same God Yahweh, and should be therefore all sufficient who is in need of no one or no thing?”

    Second, Islam denies that Allah permits any creature no matter how exalted to share in his glory, worship and/or sovereignty over creation:

    And say: (All) PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH, Who has not taken a son AND WHO HAS NOT A PARTNER IN THE KINGDOM, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him). S. 17:111 Shakir

    He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, AND WHO HAS NO ASSOCIATE IN THE KINGDOM, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure. S. 25:2 Shakir

    In fact, Jason’s “response” violates Tauhid al-Rububiyyah and Tauhid al-Ibadah/Uluhiyyah, which emphatically affirm that Allah ALONE is sovereign over all creation and that he ALONE is to be worshiped and glorified. Therefore, if Jason is right that an agent of God can be given the same exact glory and worship that God receives, and can also share in the authority of God over all creation, then this once again proves Muhammad was a liar who had no clue what he was talking about (which he didn’t since he was a false prophet and an antichrist). Way to go Jason! Thanks for helping me prove that Islam is a lie and that you know better than even Allah and his messenger!

    Lord willing, I have more for you in my next post.

    • Ken Temple says:

      Those are good points; but Jason is not a Muslim – in other comments in other com boxes lately; he says he is a Biblical Unitarian – he used the New World Translation – it seems he is a Jehovah’s Witness, but he would not admit that. I think his theology of Christ is pretty much Arian – he believes Christ is a created being who is not eternal and he is the representative of Yahweh.

      note that I cannot keep with all comments at William’s blog and a lot happens that I don’t know about when I get busy with other issues and life and work.

    • θ says:

      This simple topic of inheritance is a jaw-dropping proof that Christian apologists unbelievably lack the contextual understandings and do not know what they are talking about whatsoever.
      Allah is the inheritor of the earthy things and their glories and He never gives or inherits His Heavenly glory to anybody. Divine attribute is not inheritable.
      Jesus and others shall just inherit the best of earthy things, not God’s attributes nor divine glory. Jesus would not inherit the name “Father”. Jesus and others shall just partake eternity along with immortal (never seeing death and resurrection) God, but not inherit it from God.

      Jehovah also inherits the earthy things.
      Ps 82:8
      Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

      Jehovah never gives His glory:
      Isa 42:8
      I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

      Jesus and others shall inherit the earthy things
      1Cor 3
      21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

  2. Ken Temple says:

    see my initial response to Jason’s comment over at Williams blog.

  3. Sam Shamoun says:

    Here you go Ken. Tell me what you think.

    I was told that Jason may actually be an arian heretic. Therefore, I am now going to turn the tables on him by showing him that, per his definition of what constitutes being God, the Father can’t be God either.

    According to the God-breathed Scriptures Jehovah receives an inheritance:

    “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the children of Israel. For the LORD’s PORTION is His people; Jacob is THE ALLOTMENT OF HIS INHERITANCE.” Deuteronomy 32:8-9

    “Arise, O God, judge the earth, FOR YOU SHALL INHERIT THE NATIONS.” Psalm 82:8

    The Holy Bible further says that creatures actually give to Jehovah power, glory, and honor:

    “GIVE TO THE LORD, you heavenly beings, GIVE TO THE LORD glory and strength. GIVE TO THE LORD the glory of His name; worship the LORD in holy splendor.” Psalm 29:1-2

    “When the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and worship Him, who lives forever and ever. Then they cast their crowns before the throne, saying, ‘You are worthy, O Lord, TO RECEIVE glory and honor and power; for You have created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created.’” Revelation 4:10-11

    To make matters worse for Jason, the Holy Bible says that God the Father receives power and kingship in the same contexts that Christ does!

    “The seventh angel sounded, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying: ‘The kingdoms of the world HAVE BECOME the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever.’” Revelation 11:15

    “Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: ‘Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ HAVE COME, for the accuser of our brothers, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10

    Therefore, if Jesus can’t be God because he receives things from the Father, then the Father can’t be God either because he receives things from his creation, including an inheritance. OUCH!

    But we all know how stupid this logic is.

    However, the worst is still to come for our “friend” Jason. Both the apostles and the righteous angels are God’s agents invested with God’s authority, and yet neither the apostles nor these righteous angels ever allowed anyone to worship them:

    “As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshipped him. But Peter lifted him up, saying, ‘Stand up. I MYSELF AM A MAN.’” Acts 10:25-26

    “Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, ‘These are the true sayings of God.’ I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘See that you not do that. I AM YOUR FELLOW SERVANT, AND OF YOUR BROTHERS who hold the testimony of Jesus. WORSHIP GOD! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.’” Revelation 19:9-10

    “I, John, am he who saw and heard these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, ‘See that you not do that. FOR I AM YOUR FELLOW SERVANT, AND OF YOUR BROTHERS THE PROPHETS, and of those who keep the words of this book. WORSHIP GOD!’” Revelation 22:8-9

    And yet Jesus receives the exact same worship that the Father receives from every created thing in existence!

    “And EVERY CREATED THING WHICH IS IN HEAVEN AND ON THE EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH AND ON THE SEA, AND ALL THINGS IN THEM, I heard saying, ‘To Him who sits on the throne, AND TO THE LAMB, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion FOREVER AND EVER.’ And the four living creatures kept saying, ‘Amen.’ And the elders fell down AND WORSHIPED.” Revelation 5:13-14

    This passage is a huge embarrassment for Jason since it proves that Jesus is not a part of creation, but is separate and distinct from every created being in all of creation. Christ is placed on the same side that God the Father is placed on in the Creator/creature divide. As such, Jesus must be Jehovah God Almighty (even though he is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit) since only Jehovah is uncreated. This explains why the Father would tolerate, in fact command, every creature in existence giving his Son the exact same worship that he himself receives.

    So here is my challenge to Jason. Show me a single example where any of Jehovah’s anointed earthly kings received the same exact worship from every created thing in existence like Jesus does and will continue to receive forever and ever.

    Finally, the Scriptures teach that there is none like Jehovah who alone is exalted on high:

    “Who is like the LORD our God, who dwells on high,” Psalm 113:5

    “Let them praise the name of the LORD, FOR HIS NAME ALONE IS EXALTED; His glory is above earth and heaven.” Psalm 148:13

    “The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, AND THE LORD ALONE SHALL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY. For the day of the LORD of Hosts shall be upon everything that is proud and lofty, and upon everything that is lifted up, and it shall be brought low; and it will be upon all the cedars of Lebanon that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, and upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, and upon all the high towers, and upon every fenced wall, and upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant sloops. The loftiness of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be brought low; THE LORD ALONE WILL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY;” Isaiah 2:11-17

    “For thus says THE HIGH AND LOFTY ONE who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell IN THE HIGH and holy PLACE and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.” Isaiah 57:15

    Once again, Jesus must be Jehovah God in order for the Father to exalt him to share in his unique name status over the entire creation!

    “and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, which He performed in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITIES, AND POWER, AND MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE BUT ALSO IN THE AGE TO COME. And He put all things in subjection under His feet and made Him the head over all things for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all things in all ways.” Ephesians 1:19-23

    “He is the brightness of His glory, the express image of Himself, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had by Himself purged our sins, HE SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH.” Hebrews 1:3

    All I can say to Jason is OUCH!

  4. θ says:

    “Sam Shamoun says: “and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, which He performed in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITIES, AND POWER, AND MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE BUT ALSO IN THE AGE TO COME. And He put all things in subjection under His feet and made Him the head over all things for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all things in all ways.” Ephesians 1:19-23”

    Basic Theology 1o1: Divine attribute is not inheritable.
    Jehovah never gives His glory because it is not a thing for the churches. Jehovah is not put under the feet of Jesus, neither will Jesus arise to be a head of Jehovah.
    Isa 42:8
    I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

    Jesus is not far above Jehovah neither is Jehovah put under the feet of Jesus.
    Jesus is just named Lord of lords, but not God of gods. Jehovah is God of gods.
    Jesus is just called mighty one, not Almighty. Jehovah is AlMighty..
    Jesus is mortal, Jehovah is immortal.
    Jesus is not called good or wise, Jehovah is called good Lord and the only wise God.
    Jesus is just called last and beginning, not Alpha Omega. Jehovah is Alpha Omega.
    2Chr 30:18
    Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one.
    1Tim 1:17
    Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
    2Cor 6:18
    And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
    Rev 1:8
    I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

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