The Jesus Film

The Jesus Film, which has been translated into many languages.  The first 8 minutes are an introduction based on Genesis and the prophets; and then the rest is all straight from the Gospel according to Luke.

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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  1. Reblogged this on By the Mighty Mumford and commented:
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  2. GOOD FILM….GREAT TOOL—PASS IT ON! 🙂

  3. θ says:

    Unfortunately, Jesus in the Gospel of Luke lacks many things:
    1. Jesus’ corpse is not anointed before burial, hence he got improper funeral.
    2. A centurion just belittles Jesus as “this was a righteous man” after the crucifixion.
    3. The temple’s veil rends apart “before” Jesus gave up his spirit, so it makes the death of Jesus anticlimax.
    4. Luke was either illiterate or other three writers were illiterate, and nobody agrees on the actual words of the same inscription that Pliate wrote. Or does Pilate write four inscriptions?
    Jn 19:19
    And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    Lk 23:38
    And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    Mk 15:26
    And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    Mt 27:37
    And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

    • Ken Temple says:

      I hope some Muslims will read your articles. They may not, since you have little barbs at the beginning of the first one, calling people names.
      The content is very good, brother. I scanned them fast. (don’t have time to fully digest all the details, but overall, looks good.)

      I bet that if you took out the barbs and insults at the beginning of your articles (the other ones also vs. other Muslims), and just use intellectual argument and quoting of texts and reason and logic, more Muslims will read them.

      This is friendly advice to a fellow believer.

      Even if they were mean or deceptive to you; you don’t have to return that to them.

      “do not return insult for insult, evil for evil, but instead, give a blessing . . . ” 1 Peter 3:9

      “never pay back evil for evil to anyone.” Romans 12:17

      “never take your own vengeance . . . ” Romans 12:19

      These are clear commands to us as NT believers.

      But the verses you used to justify calling people names, are examples of God, prophets, Jesus, and apostles who call people what they are, and they actually knew their opponents hearts (God and Jesus does; and apparently He gave spiritual insight to the apostles and prophets for that); but we are not apostles or prophets; and they did not make a mistake. We could make mistakes by judging motives.

      Besides, it is not the method of evangelism in the NT.

      I Peter 3:15 – “. . . be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within you . . . with gentleness and respect”

      Ephesians 4:15 – “speaking the truth in love”

      and only God can convert someone in their heart. (1 Corinthians 1:18-2:5)

      It does not matter if my method does not win anyone; obedience to the proper methods of talking to people is the point. Even if no one comes to know the Lord, we are still to obey God and treat people with respect.

    • θ says:

      “Sam Shamoun says: Here you go: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/ibnanwar/1tim316_1.html

      The context of 1 Tim 3:15-16 has nothing to do with Jesus, or the Word, or the Son. It rather focuses about a godliness of the church leaders, Godliness (devotion) is a hidden thing which needs to be manifested in the flesh, by the men of God in authority, such as deacons, bishops, even kings.
      1Tim 3
      15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.16
      And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness (Eusebeias) which (hos) was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
      1Tim 2:2
      For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness (Eusebeias) and honesty.
      1Tim 6:11
      But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness (Eusebeias), faith, love, patience, meekness.

      Moreover, the fruit of the tree of Life can grant an immortality. The fruit and its tree sprouted from the soil of Eden, not from God’s nature. Does it mean the fruit, or the tree, or even the land of Eden a divine thing? No.
      Gen 3
      22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

      It is inferred by the Bible that Adam was supposed to eat the fruit of “Tree of Life” for his eternal life. It means actually it’s not Jesus’ power, but rather indirectly a heavenly consumption that causes the eternal life on the mortals. In Greek tongue, it is called “ambrosia” (drink or food for immortality).

      Furthermore, in Ps 49:7 David uses the specific words *by any means*, to exclude or dismiss any blood, death and flesh entirely: “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him”, hence nothing of Jesus’ body can redeem or ransom himself and his followers, not even by his blood, or death, or flesh, or soul. A man who dies can’t redeem the living ones.
      Ps 49
      7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him, 8 For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:9 That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.10 For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others.11 Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names.12 Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.13 This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

    • θ says:

      At most, if 1 Tim 3:16 talked about manifestation of God (theos) in the flesh, it just refers to Moses and other old Prophets whom both the Scriptures and Jesus himself call “gods” (John 10:33-35). Even a belly of the man in flesh can be a God (Phil 3:19).

      The verse 1 Tim 3:16 is too weak or inadequate to establish divinity of a man, even worse it could be a self-defeating argument for the Trinity. Why do the Trinitarians still refuse to worship Moses and other Prophets?

      Phil 3:19
      Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

  4. θ says:

    Addendum.
    If 1 Tim 3:16 were about Jesus, why does Paul dismiss the most pillar of Trinitarian salvation: both the death and the resurrection of their Incarnated Christ?

    Therefore, the context of 1 Tim 3:15-16 has nothing to do with Jesus or incarnation. It rather focuses on a godliness of the church leaders, that they ought to behave themselves. Behaving is manifesting in the flesh, showing to others, making internal thing come out externally. Godliness (devotion) is a hidden thing which needs to be manifested in the flesh, by the men of God in authority, such as deacons, bishops, even kings.

    If a great godliness were about Jesus, where is a reference to the supposed greatness of his death or resurrection?
    What is benefit of Jesus’ incarnation for a vain faith of Christians without his crucifixion and raising up?

  5. Sam Shamoun says:

    Ken,

    This should help you On Daniel.9:24 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=24&showrashi=true

    Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed: on Jerusalem from the day of the first destruction in the days of Zedekiah until it will be [destroyed] the second time.

    to terminate the transgression and to end sin: so that Israel should receive their complete retribution in the exile of Titus and his subjugation, in order that their transgressions should terminate, their sins should end, and their iniquities should be expiated, in order to bring upon them eternal righteousness and to anoint upon them (sic) the Holy of Holies: the Ark, the altars, and the holy vessels, which they will bring to them THROUGH THE KING MESSIAH. The number of seven weeks is four hundred and ninety years. The Babylonian exile was seventy [years] and the Second Temple stood four hundred and twenty [years].

    9:26 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=26&showrashi=true

    And after: those weeks.

    the anointed one will be cut off: Agrippa, the king of Judea, who was ruling at the time of the destruction, will be slain.

    and he will be no more: Heb. וְאֵין לוֹ, and he will not have. The meaning is that he will not be.

    the anointed one: Heb. מָשִׁיחַ. This is purely an expression of a prince and a dignitary.

    and the city and the Sanctuary: lit. and the city and the Holy.

    and the people of the coming monarch will destroy: [The monarch who will come] upon them. That is Titus and his armies.

    and his end will come about by inundation: And his end will be damnation and destruction, for He will inundate the power of his kingdom THROUGH THE MESSIAH, and until the end of the wars of Gog the city will exist.

    cut off into desolation: a destruction of desolation.

    9:27 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=27&showrashi=true

    And he will strengthen a covenant for the princes for one week: לָרַבִּים, for the princes, like “and all the officers of (רַבֵּי) the king,” in the Book of Jeremiah (39:13).
    will strengthen: Titus [will strengthen] a covenant with the princes of Israel. for one week: He will promise them the strengthening of a covenant and peace for seven years, but within the seven years, he will abrogate his covenant. he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering: This is what he says in the first vision (8:26): “and in tranquility he will destroy many.” Through a covenant of tranquility, he will destroy them.

    and on high, among abominations will be the dumb one: This is a pejorative for pagan deities. i.e., on a high place, among abominations and disgusting things, he will place the dumb one, the pagan deity, which is dumb like a silent stone.
    high: Heb. כְּנַף, lit. wing, an expression of height, like the wing of a flying bird.
    and until destruction and extermination befall the dumb one: and the ruling of the abomination will endure until the day that the destruction and extermination decreed upon it [will] befall it, IN THE DAYS OF THE KING MESSIAH.

    befall the dumb one: Heb. תִּתַּ, reach; and total destruction will descend upon the image of the pagan deity and upon its worshippers.

    12:11 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16495#v=11&showrashi=true

    And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed: in order to place a silent abomination in its stead, are days of one thousand two hundred and ninety years since the daily sacrifice was removed until it will be restored in the days of our King Messiah, and this calculation coincides with the calculation of (8:14): “evening and morning, two thousand and three hundred” from the day of their exile to Egypt until the final redemption: Egyptian exile 210; From their Exodus until the First Temple 480; First Temple 410; Babylonian exile 70; Second Temple 420; Totaling 1590. The daily sacrifice was removed six years before the destruction, which equals 1584. Add 1290, and the total sum is 2874; like the numerical value of בֹּקֶר עֶרֶב [574] plus 2300 [2874].

    12:12 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16495#v=12&showrashi=true

    Fortunate is he who waits etc.: Forty five years are added to the above number, for our King Messiah is destined TO BE HIDDEN AFTER HE IS REVEALED AND TO BE REVEALED AGAIN. So we find in Midrash Ruth, and so did Rabbi Eleazar HaKalir establish (in the concluding poem of the morning service of the portion dealing with the month of Nissan): “and he will be concealed from them six weeks of years.”

  6. Sam Shamoun says:

    9:24 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=24&showrashi=true

    Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed: on Jerusalem from the day of the first destruction in the days of Zedekiah until it will be [destroyed] the second time.

    to terminate the transgression and to end sin: so that Israel should receive their complete retribution in the exile of Titus and his subjugation, in order that their transgressions should terminate, their sins should end, and their iniquities should be expiated, in order to bring upon them eternal righteousness and to anoint upon them (sic) the Holy of Holies: the Ark, the altars, and the holy vessels, which they will bring to them THROUGH THE KING MESSIAH. The number of seven weeks is four hundred and ninety years. The Babylonian exile was seventy [years] and the Second Temple stood four hundred and twenty [years].

    9:26 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=26&showrashi=true

    And after: those weeks.

    the anointed one will be cut off: Agrippa, the king of Judea, who was ruling at the time of the destruction, will be slain.

    and he will be no more: Heb. וְאֵין לוֹ, and he will not have. The meaning is that he will not be.

    the anointed one: Heb. מָשִׁיחַ. This is purely an expression of a prince and a dignitary.

    and the city and the Sanctuary: lit. and the city and the Holy.

    and the people of the coming monarch will destroy: [The monarch who will come] upon them. That is Titus and his armies.

    and his end will come about by inundation: And his end will be damnation and destruction, for He will inundate the power of his kingdom THROUGH THE MESSIAH, and until the end of the wars of Gog the city will exist.

    cut off into desolation: a destruction of desolation.

    9:27 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16492#v=27&showrashi=true

    And he will strengthen a covenant for the princes for one week: לָרַבִּים, for the princes, like “and all the officers of (רַבֵּי) the king,” in the Book of Jeremiah (39:13).
    will strengthen: Titus [will strengthen] a covenant with the princes of Israel. for one week: He will promise them the strengthening of a covenant and peace for seven years, but within the seven years, he will abrogate his covenant. he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering: This is what he says in the first vision (8:26): “and in tranquility he will destroy many.” Through a covenant of tranquility, he will destroy them.

    and on high, among abominations will be the dumb one: This is a pejorative for pagan deities. i.e., on a high place, among abominations and disgusting things, he will place the dumb one, the pagan deity, which is dumb like a silent stone.
    high: Heb. כְּנַף, lit. wing, an expression of height, like the wing of a flying bird.
    and until destruction and extermination befall the dumb one: and the ruling of the abomination will endure until the day that the destruction and extermination decreed upon it [will] befall it, IN THE DAYS OF THE KING MESSIAH.

    befall the dumb one: Heb. תִּתַּ, reach; and total destruction will descend upon the image of the pagan deity and upon its worshippers.

    12:11 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16495#v=11&showrashi=true

    And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed: in order to place a silent abomination in its stead, are days of one thousand two hundred and ninety years since the daily sacrifice was removed until it will be restored in the days of our King Messiah, and this calculation coincides with the calculation of (8:14): “evening and morning, two thousand and three hundred” from the day of their exile to Egypt until the final redemption: Egyptian exile 210; From their Exodus until the First Temple 480; First Temple 410; Babylonian exile 70; Second Temple 420; Totaling 1590. The daily sacrifice was removed six years before the destruction, which equals 1584. Add 1290, and the total sum is 2874; like the numerical value of בֹּקֶר עֶרֶב [574] plus 2300 [2874].

    12:12 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16495#v=12&showrashi=true

    Fortunate is he who waits etc.: Forty five years are added to the above number, for our King Messiah is destined TO BE HIDDEN AFTER HE IS REVEALED AND TO BE REVEALED AGAIN. So we find in Midrash Ruth, and so did Rabbi Eleazar HaKalir establish (in the concluding poem of the morning service of the portion dealing with the month of Nissan): “and he will be concealed from them six weeks of years.”

  7. Sam Shamoun says:

    Here is more from Rashi and Daniel.

    The following references are taken from The Complete Jewish Bible with Rashi Commentary (http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm). All capital and underline emphasis ours.

    2:44 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16485#v=44&showrashi=true

    And in the days of these kings: in the days of these kings, when the kingdom of Rome is still in existence.

    the God Of heaven will set up a kingdom: The kingdom of the Holy One, blessed be He, which will never be destroyed, IS THE KINGDOM OF THE MESSIAH.

    it will crumble and destroy: It will crumble and destroy all these kingdoms.

    7:13 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16490#v=13&showrashi=true

    one like a man was coming: That is the King Messiah.

    and… up to the Ancient of Days: Who was sitting in judgment and judging the nations.

    came: arrived, reached.

    8:14 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16491#v=14&showrashi=true

    Until evening and morning, two thousand and three hundred: I saw an interpretation in the name of Rav Saadia Gaon for this matter, but it has already passed, and he interpreted further “until evening and morning,” that evening about which it says (Zech. 14:7): “and it shall come to pass that at eventide it shall be light,” and we are confident that our God’s word will stand forever; it will not be nullified. I say, however, that the עֶרֶב and בֹּקֶר stated here are a gematria, and there is support for this matter from two reasons: 1) that this computation should coincide with the other computation at the end of the Book, and 2) that Gabriel said to Daniel later on in this chapter (verse 26): “And the vision of the evening and the morning is true.” Now, if he had not hinted that the computation was doubtful, why did he repeat it to say that it was true? And the seer was commanded to close up and to seal the matter, and to him, too, the matter was revealed in a closed and sealed expression, but we will hope for the promise of our king for end after end, and when the end passes, it will be known that the expounder has erred in his interpretation, and the one who comes after him will search and expound in another manner. This can be interpreted [as follows]: namely, that עֶרֶב בֹּקֶר has the numerical value of 574, ע = 70; ר = 200; ב = 2; ב = 2; ק = 100; ר = 200. Added together, this equals 574; plus 2,300, we have 2,874.

    and the holy ones shall be exonerated: The iniquity of Israel shall be expiated to bring an end to the decrees of their being trodden upon and crumbled since they were exiled in their first exile to Egypt, until they will be redeemed and saved with a perpetual salvation BY OUR KING MESSIAH, and this computation terminates at the end of 1, 290 years from the day the daily sacrifice was removed, and that is what is stated at the end of the Book (12:11): “And from the time the daily sacrifice is removed, and the silent abomination placed, will be 1,290 years,” and no more, for our king Messiah will come and remove the silent abomination. The daily sacrifice was removed six years before the destruction of the Second Temple, and an image was set up in the Heichal. Now that was the seventeenth day of Tammuz, when Apostomos burned the Torah, put an end to the daily sacrifice, and set up an image in the Heichal, as we learned in Tractate Ta’anith (26b), but for the six years that I mentioned, I have no explicit proof, but there is proof that the daily sacrifice was abolished less than a complete shemittah cycle before the destruction, for so did Daniel prophesy about Titus (9:27): “… and half the week of years [shemittah cycle] he will curtail sacrifice and meal-offering,” meaning that a part of the week of years before the destruction, sacrifices will be abolished. So it is explained below in this section. Let us return to the earlier matters, how the computation of “evening and morning, two thousand and three hundred,” fits exactly with the time commencing from the descent to Egypt to terminate at the end of 1,290 years until the day that the daily sacrifice was abolished: 210 years they were in Egypt. 480 years transpired from the Exodus until the building of the Temple. 410 years the Temple existed. 70 years was the Babylonian exile. 420 years the Second Temple stood. 1,290 should be added until the end of days, totaling: 2,880. Subtract six years that the daily sacrifice was removed before the destruction, for Scripture counted 1,290 years only from the time that the daily sacrifice was removed. Here you have the computation of “evening and morning, and 2,300” added to the computation. Fortunate is he who waits and reaches the end of days 45 years over 1,290 [years]. We may say that the king Messiah will come according to the first computation, and he will subsequently BE CONCEALED FROM THEM for forty-five years. Rabbi Elazar HaKalir established (in the concluding poem of the portion dealing with the month of Nissan): in the foundation of his song: six weeks of years, totaling 42. We may say that the three years that did not total a week of years he did not count. And I found it so in Midrash Ruth that the king Messiah is destined TO BE CONCEALED for forty-five years AFTER HE REVEALS HIMSELF, and proof is brought from these verses.

  8. θ says:

    Daniel 9:25-27 is a reference to a slain Bar Kochba. In History of Judaism, no one of Jews before the destruction of the temple gets a widely acceptance of Christhood by the Rabbis except Bar Kochba who led a failed revolt.

    Daniel 9:25-27 can’t be about Jesus because:
    (i) A slain person in the prophesy must be a Prince. Jesus doesn’t fulfill the written prophesy on the literal basis as in fact Jesus refused to claim any earthy kingdom per John 6:15 and John 18:36. Christians just forced Jesus to fit in the contents of prophesy.
    Bar Kochba got a widely coronation of Christhood from Rabbinical Jews.
    Jn 6:15
    When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
    Jn 18:36
    Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    A man who refuses the earthy kingdom is a hermit or priest, not a Prince.
    Dan 9:25
    Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    (ii) The army of the upcoming Prince.
    Jesus didn’t have the cruel forces in 1st century before and after his time. At most, Peter’s sword just cut off the ear of Malchus.
    Bar Kochba has the army.
    Dan 9:26
    And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    (iii) Destruction of the city and temple.
    The temple was not destroyed by the army of Jesus.
    Due to a blunder of retreating into the temple, the army of Bar Kochba were responsible for the destruction of Jerusalem city and temple.

    (iv) Determined desolation.
    Bar Kochba was responsible for a violation of Moses’ Law of mutilating the fingers, which symbolises a determination that Jews never tried before. Bar Kochba is a man who gets the title of acclaimed Christ by the large prominent Jews, but he violated the law and failed.

    On “like” the son of Man.
    Daniel 7:13 can’t be about Jesus because a prophesied person is “like” the son of Man, whereas Jesus “is” the son of Man. The angel Gabriel in the form of man is that person like the son of Man per Dan 10:18. Jesus doesn’t fulfill the written prophesy on the literal basis as in fact Jesus is son of Man. Once again, Christians just forced Jesus to fit in the contents of prophesy.

    On a righteous Branch.
    Jesus happened to fulfill Jeremiah’s prophesy on a son of David who shall firstly come as a righteous Branch, and then secondly as a reigning king by whom the peace is established.
    Jer 23
    5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD Our Righteousness.

  9. θ says:

    ” Sam Shamoun says: the anointed one will be cut off: Agrippa, the king of Judea, who was ruling at the time of the destruction, will be slain….and the people of the coming monarch will destroy: [The monarch who will come] upon them. That is Titus and his armies.”

    The pro-Roman king Agrippa II together with Roman officials just fled Jerusalem during the 1st war between Titus and the factions Jewish zealots in 66–73 AD. Agrippa of the Herodian dynasty just died a natural death, not slain. According to Photius, Agrippa died at the age of seventy, in the third year of the reign of Trajan, that is 100 AD. The modern scholarly consensus holds that he died before 93 or 94 AD, about 20 years after the sacrilege of the 2nd temple.

    Temple of Jerusalem was still functioning somehow after 70 AD war. However, during the reign of Hadrian, he tried to change the sanctuary to the Jupiter temple, so it prompted Jews to revolt under Bar Kochba in 132–136 AD.

    Hadrian’s Jupiter temple lasted for almost 200 years on the site of sanctuary.
    Constantine I promoted the Christianisation of Roman society by ordering the Hadrian’s Jupiter temple on the Temple Mount to be demolished immediately following the 1st Council of Nicea in 325 AD.

    Just like Cyrus (before the 2nd temple), Bar Kochba is the only Jew who had enjoyed two important titles, Nasi (Prince) and Christ (anointed one), by large prominent Jews shortly before the final destruction of the 2nd temple to the Jupiter temple.

  10. Sam Shamoun says:

    Ken,

    This is a quote from the Talmud where the rabbis admit that Daniel 9:24 is talking about the destruction of the second temple. The discussion centers on whether a person who swore a nazirite vow before the destruction of the temple is still bound to fulfill his oath, with some rabbis saying no if the person had no clue the temple would be destroyed:

    Rabbah6 said further: Although the Rabbis said that improbable contingencies cannot be made the grounds for release, yet conditions involving improbable contingencies can be made a ground for release. For example, it would have been possible to say to them: Suppose someone had come and said to you7 that the Temple would be destroyed, would you have uttered your vow?

    R. Joseph said: Had I been there, I should have said to them:8 Is it not written, The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, are these,9 which points to [the destruction of] the first and second temples?10 — Granted that they knew it would be destroyed, did they know when this would occur?11

    Abaye objected: And did they not know when? Is it not written, Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city?12 — All the same, did they know on which day?13

    8. To those who contended that the destruction of the Temple, being an event which could not have been foreseen, could not be used as a ground for release (Asheri).
    9. Jer. VII, 4.
    10. Since it indicates that there would be three temples. Thus the destruction was foretold and could have been anticipated.
    11. And so they could not anticipate it.
    12. Dan. IX, 24. This prophecy was uttered at the beginning of the seventy years captivity in Babylon. From the restoration to the second destruction is said to have been 420 years, making in all 490. i.e., seventy weeks of years. Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin, Nazir 32b http://www.come-and-hear.com/nazir/nazir_32.html

  11. θ says:

    Daniel’s prophesy of a slain Prince is not different much from Jesus’ parable of the slain son of vineyard’s owner. There’s no story of resurrection. What is benefit of Jesus’ death for a vain faith of the still-ransomless Christians without his resurrection?
    1Cor 15
    14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

    By saying “ye are yet in your sins” Paul has disappointed all Christians by dismissing Isaiah 53 entirely that actually their sin does not get purged by any death nor any blood on the cross, but by the resurrection.
    Hence, it is not the death, not the blood, not sacrifice that atones sins.

    Daniel’s prophesy is about death, not resurrection, What is benefit of prophesy of the Prince’s death for a vain faith of the still-ransomless Christians without more valuable prophesy of his resurrection?

  12. θ says:

    “Sam Shamoun says:And here is one where I prove that even Muhammad ended up affirming it as well:https://answeringislamblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/the-quran-confirms-the-prehuman-existence-and-incarnation-of-christ/

    Every saints were born not of blood, but of God. The soul preexists inside God as its dwelling place:
    Jn 1:13
    Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    Ps 90:1
    A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

    In Islam:
    (i) Every person had preexistence each in soul that speaks, hears, perceives and answers.
    (ii) Prophets preexisted in glory like lamps with light.
    (iii) Jesus preexisted as a spirit among the spirits and then he entered Mary’s mouth.

    Tirmidhi, Hadith 122
    Narrated by Ubayy ibn Ka’b: In regard to the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, “Your Lord brought forth their offspring from the loins of the children of Adam.” (7:172) Ubayy said: He gathered them and paired them then fashioned them and endowed them with the power of speech and they began to speak. He then made an agreement and covenant with them. He made them bear witness about themselves (saying) Am I not your Lord. They said: Yes. He said: I call to witness seven heavens and seven earths regarding you and I call witness your father Adam regarding you lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: We do not know this. Bear this in mind that there is no god besides Me and there is no Lord besides Me and do not associate anything with Me. It is I Who should be sending to you My messengers in order to remind you My agreement and My covenant and it is I who would send you My Books. They said: We bear witness to the fact that Thou art our Lord, Thou art our Object of worship. There is no Lord besides Thee and there is no object of worship besides Thee. They confirmed this (pledge). Adam was raised above them so that he would see them and he saw the rich and the poor, those having handsome faces and even those inferior to them and he said: My Lord, why is it that Thou hast not made Thy servants alike? He said: I wish that I should be thanked. And he also saw the Prophets, some amongst them like lamps with light in them, distinguished by another covenant regarding messengership and prophethood, viz. the words of the Blessed and the High: And when We made covenant with the prophets – up to His words: Jesus son of Mary (33:7). He was among those spirits and He sent him to Mary. And it is narrated by Ubayy that he entered by her mouth.

  13. Sam Shamoun says:

    Here is another nugget for you Ken:

    Also, since the Koran does not enumerate what texts make up the Injil or “Gospel of Jesus,” one can only assume that what is ment are those compilations which were in use by Christian churches, particularly Aramaic speaking churches, at the time. The Syriac Christian Bible, the Pshitta, was first established in the 3rd century, but Greek-speaking churches had other texts and these were added to the Syriac Bible as time went on. The Diatessaron, or four gospels in one by Tatian, was a very common form of the Gospels which existed in Syriac and Greek (translated into Arabic in the 11th century), and was the version used by Mani, but if one takes the Koran as speaking out of time, then it is reasonable to treat the group of texts which Christian churches have taken to be the “New Testament” as “the Injil.”… (The New Encyclopedia of Islam, edited by Cyril Glasse [Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., Fourth edition 2013], Bible, p. 100)

    • θ says:

      Injil includes:
      (i) Apocrypha:
      – Infancy Gospel, on the infant miracle of Jesus.
      – Gospel of the Hebrews, on the words ” Even so did my mother, the Holy Spirit, take me by one of my hairs and carry me away on to the great mountain Tabor”.
      – Apocalypse of Peter, on substitution of Jesus to someone else in his likeness: “He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness.”

      (ii) Arabic Yuhannis (John) Gospel, as the only canonical Gospel that mentions about the prophesied Praised one.

      (iii) Matthew Gospel, as the only Synoptic Gospel that mentions about Jesus’ migration to Egypt.

      (iv) Mark Gospel, as the only Synoptic Gospel that mentions the Shema of Monotheism.

      (v) Luke Gospel, as the only Synoptic Gospel that mentions the annunciation of Gabriel to Mary.

      (vi) The book of Acts, on the victory of Ebionite Christians under James that imposed the old Moses’ tradition on Non-Jews over the rival theology of Pauline Christianity.

  14. Sam Shamoun says:

    I thought you would like these as well. This gives you an idea of the kind of terror that Islam strikes in the hearts of even those who follow it. In these two reports you will see Muhammad’s best friends and two of the first three caliphs being terrified of dying since they knew that neither Muhammad nor his god could give them any kind of assurance of salvation:

    322. It was narrated from Humaid bin ‘Abdur- Rahman al-Himyari that Ibn ‘Abbas said in Basrah: I was the first one to come to ‘Umar when he was stabbed… I said to him: Receive the glad tidings of Paradise; you accompanied the Messenger of Allah, your companionship with him was long; you were appointed in charge of the believer and showed strength and fulfilled the trust. He said: As for your glad tidings to me of Paradise – ‘Affan [another narrator] said: No by Allah besides Whom there is no god – if I had the entire world and all that is in it, I would give it as a ransom from the terror that lies before me, even before knowing the outcome. As for what you say about me being in charge of the believers’ affairs, by Allah I wish that I could get out of it without gaining or losing anything. As for what you said about me accompanying the Prophet of Allah, that is true.

    Comments: (Its isnad is saheeh). (The English Translation of Musnad Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal: Hadith No. 1 to 1380, Abu Abdullah Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal Ash-Shaibani, translated by Nasiruddin Al-Khattab, edited by Huda Al-Khattab [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, 2012], Volume 1, Musnad Abu Ishaq Sa’d bin Abi Waqqas, pp. 191-192)

    454. It was narrated that Hani’, the freed slave of ‘Uthman said: ‘Uthman used to stand by the grave and weep until his beard became wet. It was said to him: You remember Paradise and Hell, and you do not weep, but you weep for this? “The grave is the first stage of the Hereafter. If one is saved from it (i.e., its torments), then what comes after it is easier. But if one is not saved from it (i.e., its torments), then what comes after it is worse. And the Messenger of Allah said: By Allah, I have never seen any frightening thing but the grave is more frightening than it.”

    Comments: (Its isnad is saheeh). (Ibid., p. 258)

    Don’t forget that Umar was Muhammad’s father-in-law and Uthman had married two of Muhammad’s daughters. Now if even Muhammad’s closest companions were afraid of dying, what hope does this leave the rest of the Muslims with?

    • θ says:

      In Islam, the weeping concerning sting of death, grave, and Judgment Day is a requirement of for salvation. Since both Umar and Uthman wept, their tearful hope is a reason for God to wipe their tears, to save them from the inevitable torments, to make them victorious over pains of death and grave.
      Ps 126
      5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.6 He that goeth forth and weepeth bearing precious seed, shall without doubt come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
      Isa 25:8
      He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces;

  15. θ says:

    Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

    1. Jesus and Christians do not get atoned from sins completely after getting baptised by the Holy Spirit:
    Gospel of the Hebrews (as quoted by Jerome, Dialogue against Pelagius 3.2):
    Behold, the mother of the Lord and his brethren said unto him: John Baptist baptizes unto the remission of sins; let us go and be baptized of him. But he said unto them: Wherein (what) have I sinned, that I should go and be baptized of him? unless perhaps this very thing that I have said is a sin of ignorance.
    If thy brother (saith he) have sinned by a word and made thee amends, seven times in a day receive thou him. Simon his disciple said unto him: Seven times in a day? The Lord answered and said unto him: Yea, I say unto thee, unto seventy times seven times. For in the prophets also, after they were anointed by the Holy Spirit, the word of sin was found.

    2. Holy Spirit is a mother of Jesus.
    Gospel of the Hebrews (as quoted by Jerome, Commentary on Isaiah 4 and Isaiah 11:2):
    And it came to pass when the Lord was come up out of the water, the whole fount of the Holy Spirit descended upon him and rested on him and said to him: My son, in all the prophets was I waiting for thee that thou shouldest come and I might rest in thee. For thou art my rest; thou art my first-begotten Son that reignest for ever.

    3. Jesus identifies the Holy Spirit as “my mother”
    Gospel of the Hebrews (as quoted by Origen, Commentary on John 2.12.87 and John 1:3):
    Even so did my mother, the Holy Spirit, take me by one of my hairs and carry me away on to the great mountain Tabor.

  16. θ says:

    Work is faith:

    (i) Touching a garment is faith.
    Mt 9
    21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
    Mk 5
    28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
    Lk.8
    44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

    (ii) Climbing the roof with a bed and bring it down is faith.
    Lk.5
    19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
    Mk 2
    4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

    (iii) Washing, wiping, and kissing a feet is faith.
    Lk.7
    44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

    (iv) Obeying a command of showing the healing to priests and prostrating to God is faith.
    Lk.17
    14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

    (v) Casting away a garment and crying noisily is faith:
    Mk 10
    50 And he, casting away his garment, rose, and came to Jesus.51 And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
    Lk.18
    39 And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me.42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

    (vi) Work precedes faith in Jesus.
    – Baptism washed the sins and preceded the faith in Jesus.
    Saul’s blindness was healed by Ananias before Saul’s sins were washed away, and his baptism washed away his sin, which precedes a later belief on Jesus’ name.
    Acts 22
    13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    – Charity preceded faith in Jesus.
    Acts 10
    4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

    – Patience in poverty and suffering merited Paradise even without faith in Jesus.
    Lk 16
    25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    – Faith in Jesus can’t prevail nor stop the evilness of satanism on people:
    Acts 16
    16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

  17. θ says:

    Does Jesus know what he is?

    Certainly Jesus knew and taught the progressive idea of what himself is, that is the pre-existent Wisdom, but Jews and disciples didn’t quite understand it until after the day of the Spirit’s pentecostal descending. The most obvious citation is Mt 23:24 wherewith Jesus equates his person to the same Wisdom which Luke identifies in Lk 11:49. Disciples didn’t fully grasp or understand what Jesus says concerning a self from the preexistent Wisdom in a visible glory seen by several Prophets in the past.
    Nevertheless, the source of idea for the Wisdom-made Lord is not Jesus himself, but it comes from the ancient Prophet such as David and Solomon.

    Jesus is the Wisdom-made Lord.
    1Cor 1:30
    But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom,
    1Cor 1:24
    But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    Jesus himself also conveyed a consistent conviction that:
    – Jesus comes from heaven, the above, out of the world, he will return to where he was before.
    – Jesus was born of the spirit, of the light, of will of God, not of the flesh.
    – Jesus equates himself to spirit, manna, even to a kingdom that is not on this earth.

    Solomon is the source of idea of the powerful Wisdom that has authorisation in heaven, hence that equals to a Lordship. But neither Solomon nor Jews worshiped it.
    Prov 2:6
    For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
    Prov 8
    14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
    Eph.3:10
    To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

    David is the source of idea that the Wisdom is a framer of all things. But neither David, nor Solomon nor Jews worshiped it.
    Pss.104:24
    O LORD, how manifold are thy works, in wisdom hast thou made them all:
    Pss.136:5
    To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

    Solomon teaches that the Wisdom is the life-giver and the source of eternal life. But neither Solomon nor Jews worshiped it.
    Qoh 7:12
    The excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it.
    Prov 3:18
    She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
    Prov 8:35
    For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
    Prov 18:4
    The wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.
    Prov 9
    1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:11 For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.
    Prov 22
    19 That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,

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