This was in response to a post by a Muslim where he put up a video by Daniel Kirk, a professor, who was released from Fuller Seminary because it seems he thinks homosexuality is ok and that the Synoptic Gospels do not teach that Jesus is Deity, and then further discussion.
The Muslim asks why Jesus did not worship Himself; and also to base one’s understanding of Jesus on His actions and words. (see the com box)
The substance / essence / nature (ذات ، جوهر ) of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are the same essence, so to worship one of them is to worship all three persons of the Trinity, Trinitas Unitas. (3 in one)
Jesus accepted worship; He never refused it, so He was and is Deity.
Hebrews 1:6, 8 – commands to worship the Son, and the throne of God is the Son’s forever, “But of the Son, it says, “Thy Throne O God is forever”
Also, Jesus’ holy and pious character points to His Deity.
He never sinned. John 8:46; John 19:4
Even the Qur’an confesses this – Surah 19:19
Jesus predicted His death and resurrection at least 3 times before it happened.(Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:32-33; also John 2:19-22)
Jesus rose from the dead. (Matthew 27; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20-21; I Corinthians 15)
What do you do with the empty tomb?
What do you do with the appearances of Jesus to His disciples?
What do you with Him showing them His body to touch and feel? (Luke 24:39; John 20:26-29)
Why were the Romans nor the Jews never able to find His body, if they or someone else had stolen it?
Why would the disciples preach His death and resurrection with boldness and get persecuted for it if they had secretly stolen it? (Acts chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and more)
Jesus never conquered anybody, never entered into politics, and never fought back or did violence to anyone. (He rebuked the hypocrites and Pharisees, and overturned the tables in the temple full of the money-changers, etc. – but that was justice.)
Jesus loved people, the lepers, the poor, slaves, etc.
Jesus ministered to the outcast, like the Samaritan woman in John chapter 4, and the touched and healed the lepers in Luke 17.
The Roman Empire became Christian after over 300 years of the disciples of Jesus becoming the manifest, dominant ones – (as the Qur’an testifies – 3:55 فوق – above, dominant, victorious and 61:14 ظاهرین – the manifest and obvious ones), and growing and responding in a holy and godly manner, even as they were hunted down and persecuted and killed (off and on) as testified by early documents like the Didache, Mathetes, etc. and the early church fathers such as Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Athanasius, etc.
That victory through humility is powerful. The victory of the cross and resurrection is powerful.
Addendum: (there are a couple of other exchanges I thought are pertinent here.)
This Muslim asked, and I elaborated more:
The question is why do you worship two extra persons that Jesus didn’t worship?
No, the question is why did Jesus receive worship and honor and claim to be God? ( all the “I am” statements and John 5:17-18; 8:24; 56-58; 10:30-39; 19:1-7)
In His incarnation, He prays to and honors the Father, and honors the Spirit as the one who is “the Spirit of Truth” and says “He will testify of Me”.
Neither did any of the OT prophets.
The Trinity was not fully revealed yet in the OT, even though there are hints of the doctrine.
“Let us make man in our image” – Genesis 1
Elohim is plural.
“The Spirit of Yahweh”, etc.
“kiss and worship the Son” – Psalm 2:2, 7, 11-12
Paul Williams, the Muslim who runs the blog, says that when Jesus calls Himself the Lord (kurios) of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), he is not making a claim to being Yahweh Himself. He says that since Jesus spoke in Aramaic, it doesn’t mean “Lord” as in Yahweh.
Daniel Kirk wrote:
In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus says very few things that explicitly claim lordship for himself, . . .
Oh, except claiming He is Lord (Yahweh) of the Sabbath Day – Mark 2:28, which is a claim to be God Almighty of Genesis chapters 1-2, the creator of all things who created in 6 days and then rested on the 7th day.
oops . . . Mark 2:1-10 shows Jesus is God by being able to forgive sins . . . oops. The Scribes admitted this, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7)
and many more passages where Matthew, Mark, and Luke call Jesus “Lord” ( kurios) = Yahweh, Master, Lord of lords.
Matthew 7:21-23 –
Lord, Lord” = about Jesus on the day of judgment. (“on that day”)
In context, since the Pharisees were objecting to Jesus’ disciples working on the Sabbath Day, the claim of Jesus is a claim of Deity. (Mark 2:28 and surrounding context.)
And Jesus as “Son of Man” – He is claiming to be the Divine figure of Daniel 7:13-14 who goes up to the ancient of Days and sits down at His right hand. (ascends to heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father) and is given a kingdom of people from all nations and they come and worship Him. Mark 14:60-64 – that is why the Jewish leaders accuse Him of blasphemy and call for His death. It is clear.
Yes, Jesus spoke orally in Aramaic, but the gospel writers wrote it in Koine Greek, so that it would go out to all the nations living in the Roman Empire at the time, in a language that more peoples could understand and it was written down so that we would have it later in history to read, study, and understand. Psalm 110:1 used 2 Hebrew words for “Lord”, but they are both translated in Greek as Kurios, (in both Lxx and all three Synoptics, another example where Ehrman and you are wrong)
εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου
“The Lord said to My Lord sit at My right hand”
נְאֻם יְהוָה לַֽאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִֽימִינִי
Yahweh and Adoni – shows that Jesus is Yahweh. (Matthew 22:41-46; Mark 12:35-37; Luke 20:41-44)
That all three synoptics translate the passage this way shows that all three of them understand Jesus’ claims to be God; and again, Ehrman is proved wrong, as is Daniel Kirk, and you.
Mark many times does keep the Aramaic in the text:
Mark 3:17; 5:41; 7:11, 34; 14:36; 15:22, 15:34 and translates it into Greek.
I wonder why Mark does NOT do that for Lord in Mark 12:35-37 ?