Dr. White’s report on recent ministry; with analysis of the attacks on Dr. White and his dialogue with Dr. Yasir Qadhi

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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7 Responses to Dr. White’s report on recent ministry; with analysis of the attacks on Dr. White and his dialogue with Dr. Yasir Qadhi

  1. Sam Shamoun says:

    Can I post what I wrote about White’s position, to see both sides?

    • Ken Temple says:

      for Sam Shamoun:
      Dear Sam:
      I edited your question, because it was filled with all sorts of your typical bombast, snarky remarks, and unnecessary aggressiveness; and also I don’t agree that it (White’s position) is “compromised”, etc.

      You cannot post it here; because it is always laced with ad hominem and snarky -ness and sinful anger. And for what I see, most people have already seen your defense on your Facebook page.

      The big thing is, both Dr. White and I already know about all those issues. (Jihad, bad treatment of women in Islam, etc.) But I agree with him and the method of starting where he did, since it was not a debate. You don’t seem to even want to even try to apply Ephesians 4:15 or 1 Peter 3:15 (the part about “with gentleness and respect”) and I have already told you and rebuked you by email, etc. before on these things.

      If you look at my earlier entry with part 1 of his dialogue with Dr. Qadhi, I brought up questions I would like to ask Dr. Qadhi about Jihad, Dhimmitude, etc. but in a respectful way.

      I already brought up a lot of the issues you brought up, but in a respectful way.

      You really need to repent of your anger and bomb-bast and name calling, and maybe more Muslims would give you a chance, but without that stuff, because you have a lot of good material, when you stick to just issues, texts, history, Scriptures, and reason.

      See here, below the video.


  2. Ken Temple says:

    For Sam Shamoun:

    As Dr. White said,

    “Gospel truth spoken in hatred will not be blessed by the Spirit of God”

    I agree.

  3. Ken Temple says:

    for Sam Shamoun:
    You keep proving our point by your sinful anger and ad-hominem and name calling and judgmental spirit.

  4. Sam Shamoun says:

    focusing on Yasir Qadhi. For those of you who may have missed it, or do not know, Qadhi is 100% for the implementation of shariah if and when a legitimate caliphate is established.


    • Ken Temple says:

      Also, I can see why Dr. Qadhi (and other Muslims) call Isis “the Kaurajites” from خوارج, which we have in Farsi, from the Arabic, meaning “outsiders”, that they labeled as “Outside of islam”. They were so extreme and violent that they rejected both the Sunnni Caliphs and the Shiites and killed Ali Ibn Abu Talib in 661 AD, who is considered the first Imam of Shiite Islam and the 4th Caliph of Sunni Islam.

  5. Ken Temple says:

    Sam Shamoun wrote:
    Dr. Yasir Qadhi is 100% for the implementation of shariah if and when a legitimate caliphate is established.

    Do you have documentation of that? ( in case he, or anyone else that might read this, denies it) (not that I think my little blog com box means anything . . . )

    “if and when a legitimate caliphate is established”

    Everything on these issues you bring up, hinges on this phrase.

    I agree that these (Jihad, punishments, evil treatment of women, etc.) are good issues to ask Dr. Qadhi, but one has to establish the relationship first, IMO, and the first meeting between them that he agreed to was a dialogue, and was not meant to try and cover every detail of Islam.

    It is amazing to me that you don’t get taking one step at a time with wisdom and patience.

    Anyone who has kept up with David Wood’s debates, and you and Jay Smith and Nabeel Qureshi, and other newer members of the Acts 17 debaters ( I cannot remember if Samuel Green did any debates on the Jihad and violence issues) knows these things are already out there. and the answering-islam website that Jochen Katz set up. In all these years now, I don’t remember anyone on the Christian side asking about the Caliph and Caliphate. ( I like Samuel Green and Nabeel’s style and graciousness better than your (Sam Shamoun) bombast style)

    Everything turns on that issue – “if and when a legitimate caliphate is established” – that is a legitimate question for him – I would ask him, if I could get that chance, “do you, Dr. Qadhi think that could ever happen?”
    and “if it could, how could it happen?” ; “that is, what are the conditions and requirements for a legitimate Caliph and can you prove those principles from the Qur’an and Hadith?”

    Do you, Sam Shamoun really think a legitimate Caliph could ever be re-established?

    What are the conditions and requirements for a legitimate Caliph?

    Does all of the Sunni world have to agree or a certain amount?

    What about the Shiites? They would not agree and probably be at war with each other.

    Given how Muslims fight with each other all the time for centuries (Kharijites, Sunnis, Shiites, (some are 12er Imams, some are Ismailis- 7 Imams, and some are 5er Imam Shiite sects, Aberrations like the Alawites, the Druze, the Ahmadiyeh, other Muslims – Quran only, Wahabis, Salafi, the differing schools of Sufis orders and Darwishes, etc.) – do you think they could ever establish such a unity and Caliph?

    How can it ever be determined when a legitimate Caliph and Caliphate is established?

    Dr. White pointed out about the development of Islamic jurisprudence in Islamic history. What about that? Is there a good article on that?

    I wrote about some of this issue in my addendum to the first lecture: the whole Dhimmi system stuff and development of the Pact of Omar I to Omar 2 –
    the original pact of Omar Ibn Al Khattab (Caliph from 634-644 AD) was developed in Islamic jurisprudence further under Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz ( Caliph from 717-720 AD), and that was developed later as the Islamic world grew. Some of the quotes you gave are based on these documents, so I am aware of this stuff a long time ago; and since Dr. White has read all of Sahih Al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim and has studied these issues, I think he well knows about all the material you keep repeating and providing; and yet he also understands the development of Islamic jurisprudence.

    Later, the whole Dhimmi system was abolished in many Muslim countries, from what I understand, maybe in the 1700s and 1800s. ( ?)

    Dr. White debated Yusuf Ismail on some of these issues that you bring up (Peace and Violence in the Qur’an and the Bible), and, from what I remember, did the best he could; and he was very disappointed in the way Yusuf Ismail framed his presentation. I listened to it again recently (see in the comboxes at part 1 of the Dialogue, but I still cannot remember the details right now, except some of the ridiculous comparisons that Yusuf made and kept throwing in Calvinism and Servetus, etc. I need to go over it again and make notes.
    It would take me too long to listen to it all over again and write stuff out, in time for a detailed response right now.

    But Qadhi and other modern Muslims can legitimately say that ISIS is not true Islam because they don’t have a legitimate Caliph, and no one can just start killing people or beheading people based on their taking the law into their own hands, anyway, if they have a Caliph, etc. – modern Muslims can always find a way to reasonably say, “that is not true Islam”, because there is no Caliph or Caliphate right now.

    But I think that is a good issue (about the Caliph and Caliphate) to ask these guys, if they are willing to answer questions about that issue.

    Did you even look at what I wrote under the video of the first part of the Dialogue between Dr. White and Dr. Qadhi?

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