Major fail by Dave Armstrong

This is a great quote by Cyril of Jerusalem, bishop from 348-386 AD, which teaches Sola Scriptura in principle:

For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell thee these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning, but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures. (Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 4:17)

see Dave Armstrong’s article here.

Dave banned me completely (from making comments at his blog), it seems because he could not deal with my arguments. I gave up arguing with him for a while, (because he is just too time consuming) but every now and then I venture over there to see what he is saying.  I am amazed that he and other Roman Catholic apologists keep using Cyril’s later statement (18:23) as somehow teaching that the Roman Catholic Church is infallible.

He and other RC apologists make claims of other teachings of Cyril, but when one goes and actually looks at the references, they don’t teach what Dave and other RC’s claim.

The quote from Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechetical Lectures, 18:23) does not say “the church teaches infallibly”, rather “completely” or “precisely” . It is downright inaccurate and dishonest to say that means “infallibly”.  That is a massive difference and it is wrong for Roman Catholic apologists to claim “infallible” there. Also, there is no purgatory in the reference of 23:10. There are prayers for the dead, yes, but not purgatory; big difference. Also, “real presence” is not a problem for Protestants, but Transubstantiation is, and that was not developed until the 800s – 1215. Furthermore, 1:1-3 does not teach baptismal regeneration, and even seems to teach against it. Major fail on Dave Armstrong’s part.

As Dr. James White says many times, “we can let the early church be the early church; they were neither Roman Catholic nor Protestant”. Even if Cyril did not list the book of Revelation in his canon list, that does not in any way shake us, because no church father is infallible, and we are free to judge their specific musings, interpretations, and ideas as wrong, if they are unBiblical. Gregory of Nazianzus and John Chrysostom also did not seem to affirm the book of Revelation as Scripture. (But Gregory of Nazianzus seems to affirm it also, see F. F. Bruce, The Canon of Scripture, page 211, where Gregory says that John visited heaven, which seems to be a reference to Revelation 4:1 ff.) But Justin Martyr (died, martyred in 165 AD), the Didache (70-120 AD), Papias (died, 135 AD), Irenaeus (writing 180-202 AD), Tertullian (writing 190-220 AD), Clement of Alexandria(died 215 AD), Origen (died 254 AD), and Athanasius (367 AD) did affirm Revelation as Scripture, before Cyril of Jerusalem.

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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