The True God, the Holy Trinity, is relational, and helps us understand our need for relationship.

Here is my response and interaction with an article at Triablogue:

“Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.”

Interesting.
Why are relationship issues only a “feminine issue” ? or why is that “a rather feminine view of Christianity?”

You are right in that it is a shallow slogan, and one that can be abused, especially when accompanied by bad theology; (and bad worship songs, etc.) but it can be proper, even completely right & Biblical, when fleshed out with deeper theological and doctrinal explanation of what the essence of the issue is.

The Trinity, the true God from all eternity past was in an eternal personal spiritual relationship. (John 17:5 with the other verses on the person and Deity of the Holy Spirit) – “God is Love”; “God is Spirit” and the 3 persons aspect of the Trinity point to relationship.

[see the other articles I have written on the doctrine of the Trinity in the side bar of categories. Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14 are just two classic texts for the doctrine of the Trinity, but the entire Bible teaches the doctrine, when properly fleshed out.]

The 3 persons in eternity past points to “relationship”. God is relationship; God is personal; God is living. God is one in substance, nature, essence – One God; but 3 in relationship, persons.

John 1:12-13 speaks of receiving Christ (receiving Him for all that He is – His character, person; all of Him for who He is – the eternal Word (John 1:1-514), eternal Son (John 17:5), who became human to accomplish redemption for people from all peoples (Rev. 5:97:9). This points to relationship. The Holy Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are children of God points to relationship. (Galatians 4:6 and Romans 8:16) That we are “children of God” by election and predestination and adoption points to relationship. (Ephesians 1:4-6) That the Son intercedes for us at the right hand of the Father points to relationship. (1 John 2:1Romans 8:33-34; Hebrews 7, 9) That classic texts on foreknowledge point to relationship and knowing as in knowing a person in relationship speaks to this also.Romans 8:29Jeremiah 1:5 (Foreknow is foreknowing as a person knows a person, rather than know a fact in the future; but not excluding that also, since God knows everything.)

It would take explaining doctrinal truths and also the truth that God created man in His own image (both men and women) and that plurality within the one Adam (Genesis 1:26-285:2 – there is a male “Adam” (human) and a female “Adam” (human) points to the plurality of personal relationships within the Trinity in eternity past.

The idea of the slogan, that it was trying to communicate; is that the Christian religion is much deeper than a dry dead ritual of going to church and just out of rote mechanical ceremony, etc. of quoting the Apostles’ Creed, and going through the motions on Sundays, etc. and only purely intellectual doctrinal religion without the Spiritual reality of the new birth and all that entails in growing and trusting God and persevering until we die; etc. and the Holy Spirit praying for us with groanings too deep for words, (Romans 8:26-27) etc. That also points to “relationship”. “trusting God” each day in our spiritual life and growth points to relationship. [I add here, Psalm 28:7 – “The Lord is my strength and shield; My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped; My heart greatly rejoices; and with my song I give thanks to Him” ]

The Relationship aspect of the Trinity has helped me explain that to former Muslims in discipleship and growing spiritually. I will say something like this, along with the full doctrinal teaching of the Trinity:

“Only the true God, the Holy Trinity), can fill the void in your heart that longs for connection/relationship/knowing your creator (Pascal, Augustine, etc.) – because only the True God is the eternal relationship that is true, the creator, the truth, pure love (1 John 4:8, etc.), and pure spirit (John 4:23-24), who is also only ONE God. (Mark 12:29I Tim. 2:5Deut. 6:4-5, etc.)”

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The issue of “the feminization of the modern church” is a real problem in recent history among USA Evangelicals; and this recent article is excellent on that issue:

“Act like men”, from 1 Corinthians 16:13-14

https://sovereignnations.com/2018/07/11/act-like-men/

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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5 Responses to The True God, the Holy Trinity, is relational, and helps us understand our need for relationship.

  1. David Waltz says:

    Hi Ken,

    Good post. Given the primary topic of the thread (i.e the Trinity), I think you will find yesterday’s post over at AF of interest:

    http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2018/07/augustines-trinity-modalistic-semi.html

    Grace and peace,

    David

  2. Walter says:

    “The 3 persons in eternity past points to “relationship”. God is relationship; God is personal; God is living. God is one in substance, nature, essence – One God; but 3 in relationship, persons.”

    Excellent one Ken, nothing more nothing less, no need to use to confuse the multiplier and the multiplicand to prove 3 can be 1 or use the modalistic forms of water analogy…still clearly seems to be polytheism tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Anyway Ken, i came here to say sorry for my behaviour on BT since the past few weeks…so sorry man, hope you’re not upset…

    Take care,
    Shaad M. Walter

    • Ken Temple says:

      Thank you Shaad. I don’t remember anything specific, since I have not been interacting there recently. Since Paul Williams left, BT is not the same.

      So, you see what the 3 persons means now? eternal relationship. God is Love. The God of the Bible, the Holy Trinity, is the one true God.

      • Walter says:

        Ah i’ve been acting weird, i’ve been insulting christians for no reason, picking up fights, my behaviour has been immature, i’ve been feeling bad because of that…so once again, i sorry man, i promise it won’t happen again to any christian online or irl…

        Now hilarious that one of your brothers in arms is mistaking my criticism of the Trinity on another blog as insult though i tried my best to keep it as non offensive as possible. Some people just want us to stay silent haha 😄

        Okay coming to your question I think what divides is how we define the term “God” itself, to Trinitarians it’s more like Family or a Team who goes by the name “God”, to Muslims (and Jews) it’s a single conscious Being, while i respect your belief it honestly seems more like watered-down polytheism…

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