A debate on Papal Infallibility

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Both of these guys (and the moderator, Allan Ruhl) have a good demeanor and spirit and one can appreciate that these days.

at the 4:30 mark, John Fisher (The Roman Catholic) says that Peter’s statement is an “ex cathedra truth”. Talk about reading 1870 (Vatican 1) back into the text of Matthew 16:16 !!

The Anglican Father James (“Barely Protestant”) makes the stronger arguments of seeing Matthew 18:18 and Rev. 3:7 as the proper interpretations of Matthew 16:18-19. The power of binding and loosing is passed on to all the apostles in Matthew 18:18. The power of proclaiming forgiveness of sins and also the power to do church discipline and excommunicate people who refuse to repent. Also in John 20:23 – all the apostles have this power and authority; and furthermore, the apostle Paul also teaches this in Acts 13:38-39 – “forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you”.

Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him everyone who believes is freed (Greek: justified) from everything from which you could not be freed (Greek: justified) by the law of Moses. Acts 13:38-39 (my emphasis)

“everyone who believes is justified” ! – here is justification by faith alone, not by works.

If someone accepts Christ, they are forgiven and we have the authority to say this to them; and if they reject Christ, we can say that they do not have forgiveness, unless they later repent and believe.) Peter is the first – and we see this fulfilled in

Acts 2 – he preaches the first sermon after the birth of the church / coming of the Holy Spirit and

Peter is also the first to take the gospel to the Gentiles in Acts 10-11 and James confirms this in Acts 15:6-14 –

notice verse 7 – And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

notice verse 14 – James says, “Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.”

These 2 verses and the whole events of Acts 2, 10-11 and 15 demonstrate the future fulfillment of what Jesus meant by singling out Peter, and calling him “this rock” in Matthew 16:18, while connecting Peter’s faith to the content of the doctrine of his statement, which God the Father revealed to Peter’s heart and mind – “You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God”. Jesus says to all the apostles, “I will build My church”; and we see the early church unified, at the beginning, in Jerusalem in the book of Acts. The unity of the believers is emphasized as the gospel goes out to Samaria (Acts 8) and the Gentiles in Acts 10-11 and 15. Afterward, all True churches are built on that doctrine, which Peter first spoke, not on some kind of bishop that comes 200 or 300 to 400 years later in the city of Rome.

Also, Peter himself calling himself “fellow elder” in his own letter ( 1 Peter 5:1) completely destroys Papal claims and arguments.

The Anglican Father James made a great point about John 17:12 and Judas. Jesus prays for all the apostles in John 17 (and future disciples / believers), but Jesus clearly says, “except for the son of perdition, that the Scripture may be fulfilled.”


About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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