Anthony Rogers continues to pound Roman Catholicism

It is actually the text of the book of Galatians that pounds Roman Catholicism! (by application, Eastern Orthodoxy and other ritualistic and external-oriented churches also.)

Anthony Rogers continues in his series on Galatians and the last 5 have been especially good. The video above is from May 1, 2022. It is actually the text of Galatians and Spirit-filled application of the text that is pounding their man-made traditions and false externally oriented religions.

The other 4 recent videos by Anthony Rogers:

On Galatians 1:7 (June 7, 2022)

On Galatians 1:8-9 (June 17, 2022)

On Galatians 1:10 (July 24, 2022)

As I have been working on this for over a week, and thinking about these issues for the past 3-4 months, Anthony did another lecture on Galatians on August 3, 2022. I have only been able to listen to some of it so far.

Please listen to all five lectures, if you have time. Anthony continues to carefully exegete Galatians 1:6-10, and applies the exegesis to his ongoing defense of the Protestant Reformation doctrines, especially justification by faith alone, against the arguments of Roman Catholicism and the arguments of William Albrecht and Sam Shamoun. By application, the book of Galatians pounds the other external, ritualistic, works-righteousness religions that claim to be apostolic. They eventually added so many other things to the gospel that those other doctrines, practices, dogmas, rituals, man-made traditions actually eclipsed the teachings of the NT about God’s grace, man’s inability, and justification by faith alone. The book of Galatians is a powerful apologetic against both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (and also the Assyrian Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox churches), since these 4 branches of early Christianity drifted into an emphasis on external rituals and church hierarchy and sacraments, and man-made traditions, rather than Biblical exegesis and truth.

Anthony did a lot of great background into the word “gospel”, demonstrating from Isaiah 40, & 52-53 that the good news was about the coming Messiah, who would be the suffering servant, who would die for sins and rise from the dead. Be sure to listen to the details.

Starting around the 1:35:00 mark in Rev. Anthony Roger’s teaching in the above video (May 1, 2022), on Galatians 1:6, after pointing out that Simon Magus was not changed (not regenerated) by his water baptism (see Acts 8:13, 21-23), Anthony gives a very powerful quote from R. Alan Cole and his commentary on Galatians:

“Of course, as Paul frequently says, the cross is always a stumbling block to natural men and women. (1 Cor. 1:23) Judaizing in the Galatian sense may not remove the cross all-together, but it does save from persecution because of the cross. (Gal. 6:12), and no doubt the desire to escape persecution was one Galatian motive for accepting circumcision, a Paul bluntly says. Perhaps there was something of the lure of the outward and impressive as opposed to the inward and spiritual. Judaism was a very visible religion in many ways in the ancient world, and even to keep Jewish festivals and food laws would give Gentile Christians a ‘stake’ in an impressive external system, as impressive outwardly as anything in their former paganism.” (R. Alan Cole, Commentary on Galatians, p. 38) [my emphasis on the outward, impressive, visible, external]

Note again that Simon Magus’ water baptism did not change or regenerate him. (see Acts 8:13, 21-23) Also, would you not assume that Judas Ischariot was baptized in water? (see John chapters 1-4) Some of the disciples of Jesus were disciples of John the Baptist first. We would reasonably assume that the others also got baptized in water. (see John 1:29-42; John 3:22; 4:1-2) John 13:9-11 and 15:3 confirms this. Jesus says to Peter that the disciples are clean, except Judas Ischariot. Water baptism with the right words said over a person does not regenerate a person. A person is born-again by the Word of God, the preaching of God’s word (1 Peter 1:23-25) and the Holy Spirit. (John 3:3-8) “you were born again . . . through the living and abiding word of God . . . and this is the word that was preached to you”. (1 Peter 1:23-25) The “water” there in John 3:5 is about internal cleansing by the Holy Spirit, as Ezekiel 36:25-27 confirms. “water and Spirit” in John 3:5, go together as a cleansing of the heart by the Spirit of God when we hear and understand the gospel preached, and then repent and trust in Christ to save us from our sins. As Peter said, “cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:9) Water cannot change the heart or soul. That is why Jesus rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding the OT teaching, since he was “a teacher of Israel” (John 3:10) and should have know the OT texts that Jesus was alluding to. The Holy Spirit is sovereign and “blows” where ever He wills and desires. (John 3:8) God the Holy Spirit causes regeneration and the ability to repent and turn away from idolatry. (1 Thess. 1:9; Acts 5:31; 11:16-18; 2 Timothy 2:22-24) Notice that Ezekiel 36:25 says that God will sprinkle clean water on them to cleanse them from their idols in their hearts. (see Ezekiel chapter 14 – “idols in their hearts”, v. 3, 4, 5, 6-7) All four Gospels and Acts repeat this teaching: Jesus said, “John baptized with water, but I will baptize with the Holy Spirit”. John did the external rite in water, but Jesus is the one who really regenerates people in their hearts.

Be sure to listen to Anthony’s lecture – he points out in the middle of quoting this from R. Alan Cole that Muslims stumble over the cross (the substitutionary blood atonement of Christ on the cross) just like modern Jews who reject Jesus as Messiah do. Anthony also notes the external rituals and art (icons, statues, architecture, etc.) of both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are part of the alluring attraction why many in the past 30 years have turned away from Evangelical faith to Roman Catholicism or E. Orthodoxy. The “smells and bells” or “bells and whistles”. The rituals and icons and such are something to see and touch and feel and taste – like the bread and wine in the Eucharist, oil in chrismation and other anointings, the water of baptism, icons and statues of praying to the saints, relics, incense, priests with their pomp and ceremony and special clothes and hats, incense, etc. This emphasis on external things seems to be some of what the apostle Paul is getting at when he talks about “the elementary principles of this world” (Colossians 2:8; 2:20-23; Galatians 4:3, 9-10) See this post for more on Roman Catholicism and “the elementary principles of this world”. It is amazing that people are attracted because of art and icons and rituals and “smells and bells”, bread in a tabernacle, genuflecting toward the bread because they believe it is literally Jesus! Amazing! The apostle is amazed! (Gal. 1:6) The apostle Paul was amazed because of the greatness of Christ alone and grace alone and His gospel of justification by faith alone. Christ alone is so wonderful, why would anyone want to desert Him for a system of works, efforts, rituals, prayers to Mary, performing the 6 of the 7 sacraments, the sacramental treadmill of “on and off”, having justification and then loosing it by mortal sin and then gaining it back, and then repeating that cycle until you die, etc. ? (the Holy Orders is only for ministers) And having to face burning of fire in satis passio for decades or centuries in Purgatory? (modern RCs claim that it is not a time thing in Purgatory, nor a literal place or literal fire, but a sudden rush of cleansing that prepares the believer to enter into heaven.) But for centuries the Roman Catholic Church taught that the suffering of satis passio (their sufferings that satisfy God’s justice) was for time periods in Purgatory. (years, decades, centuries, etc.) (from the time of the Crusades, 1095 to 1500s and even beyond, into the 1600s-1800s – maybe even up until Vatican 2 in the 1960s)

Another great insight, that Anthony brought out, is the connection of Galatians 1:6 with Exodus 32:8.

“I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you for a different gospel . . . ” Gal. 1:6

God said to Moses about the people down below: “They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!’” Exodus 32:8

One of the arguments that Roman Catholics and E. Orthodox apologists make is that the early church could not have turned aside so quickly in the second century from the Biblical Christianity of the first century, which includes all of the 27 inspired / canonical books of the NT. All 27 scrolls existed in the first century, written around 45-96 AD. I am not arguing that the church disappeared or blinked off or when into total apostasy. No knowledgable Protestant about Church History makes that argument. But since it was possible for people to turn aside so quickly into apostasy in Galatians and Exodus 32, it is possible for a local church to quickly allow some false practices and false doctrines in, and at the same time have many good things. Also, in Rev. 2:4-5, all the churches in Revelation chapters 2-3 eventually disappeared from history and Islam conquered them. There are early errors and mistakes and false doctrines, but they do not constitute total apostasy. The early church of the first 4-5 centuries has much great and wonderful things – the definitions of the Trinity and the 2 natures of Christ, the confirmation of the canon of Scripture; being faithful in persecution, and other great things. In the second century, the mono-episcopacy (exalting one bishop over the plurality of elders for each church) seems to be a quick change from a plurality of elders for each church (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5-7; Acts 20:17, 28; 1 Peter 5:1-4 and also 1 Clement 42-44. 1 Clement agrees with the Biblical data. The transition and change was from 1 Clement (plurality of elders for each church) to Ignatius’ writings – mono-episcopate. (40s AD to 96 AD) This is a fairly quick change and emphasis in Ignatius’ writings around 107-110 AD) Other early mistakes: baptismal regeneration, calling the Eucharist a “sacrifice”, infant baptismal regeneration – (the first clear reference to infant baptism began around 215 AD – Hippolytus), NT office of priests, a wrong understanding of “apostolic succession”. True apostolic succession is holding to what the apostle’s taught in Scripture, not some secret oral teaching that was not eventually written down in Canonical Scripture, and only centuries later developed or brought out in history. These things were wrong, but they did not constitute total apostasy. The church still existed all through history, even with many errors. (see Ephesians 3:21 – the church “to all generations”) That some false teachings crept into the church does not contradict Jesus promise in Matthew 16:18. See Gavin Ortlund’s excellent videos on historical theology vs. Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. The link is to one of his videos, but there are many more there at his channel.

Another great quote is from Ronald Fung and his commentary on Galatians:

@ around 1:47:00 of Anthony Rogers lecture

“The Galatians desertion of God was accompanied, and indeed demonstrated, by their transference of allegiance to “a different gospel”.  The phrase is unlikely to have been used by the persons mentioned in the next verse as a description of their own doctrine; since they in opposition to Paul insisted on the necessity of circumcision and other requirements of the Jewish law (cf. 5:3; 6:12.), they are more likely to have regarded their own teaching as the “full” or “complete” gospel (cf. 3:3 where the word translated “to make . . . perfect” may reflect their vocabulary), measured by which Paul’s preaching appeared in their eyes to be but a truncated gospel” 

(Ronald Fung, commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians, at the place where he comments on Gal. 1:6) (my emphasis)

Listen to Anthony’s comments in between the quotes.  This is what many Roman Catholic apologists say today, that Protestants need the “fullness” of the gospel, and the “complete” gospel – with the Papacy, Purgatory, Transubstantiation, Indulgences, priests, penances, and Marian piety (practices, prayers to her, icons, statutes, etc.), other doctrines, and all the RC dogmas about Mary.  

Galatians was written just before (48 AD) the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. (49-50 AD) The same kind of group that was troubling the Galatians was there in Jerusalem in Acts 15.   There was a group from James – (Galatians 2:11) that Paul called “false brethren” (2:4) These men were not approved of by James (Acts 15:24) – they were Pharisees (Acts 15:5) who were adding other requirements to faith in Christ. Praise God that Peter, the suppossed first “Pope”, said “cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:9), in harmony with Sola Fide for justification. The background to Galatians in Acts 15:1-11 shows that the Judaizers wanted much more than just circumcision and food laws to be obeyed in order to be saved.  Acts 15:5 and all of Galatians shows they wanted the Gentiles to obey ALL the law of Moses.  All includes the moral law.  (Galatians 3:10-13)  

But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” Acts 15:5 – the “and”  (παραγγελλειν τε ) =(the infinite παραγγελλειν = “to command”, “to instruct”, “to charge”, “to order”, “to direct” with te/ τε demonstrates it was more than just circumcision.  Galatians 3:1-5 shows it includes all efforts and works of trying to be perfected.  The Greek conjunction te/τε many times carries the idea of “both and” – connected with another infinite “to keep” or “to observe” τηρεῖν (the law of Moses).  Galatians 4:3 and 9-10 demonstrates it was also the calendar/ seasons/ Jewish feasts that were part of the Mosaic law.  Galatians 3:10 demonstrates that it was “everything” in the law. Galatians 2:11-14 shows it included the food laws and washings and ceremonies of separation.  Roman Catholicism, by adding works, merit, efforts to keep the 5-7 sacraments (one is only for married people and the other is only for priests – “holy orders”) until you die, and adding prayers to Mary and the saints and other rituals and ceremonies – shows they replaced the old Mosaic law with new laws and works and efforts to be finally justified.   

Segway Back to November-December 2021

Getting back to the issue of churches that emphasize external rituals and things you can see, smell, touch, and feel – Now, for the next part of my post – I am going back to November – December of 2021, the beginning of when Sam Shamoun came out more directly rejecting the Protestant Reformation and justification by faith alone:

I was amazed that Qai, an Eastern Orthodox, thought that his video was impressive. (from Dec. 18 2021, at the beginning of the controversy between Sam Shamoun and Anthony Rogers.) Anthony was not mocking the meaning of the cross of Jesus – His atonement and it’s power. Rather he was talking about the bare ritual of crossing oneself, as if by itself, by the ritual itself, that it has power. In Qai’s video, there is no intellectual argument, no content of doctrine or text or Scripture, no reasoning from Scripture, just something to watch and see and supposedly, “be awed over”. It is not impressive at all. It is dead externalistic religion, especially because this is mostly Russian Orthodox ceremonies (maybe there are others of the greater orthodox communities in the video), especially Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church, who supports Putin in his evil aggressive and unjust war against Ukraine, and according to many, had ties to the KGB, along with Putin, during the Soviet era. See the video that Michael Lofton did on Putin and Kirill with a Ukrainian Catholic. Also, see Jordan Peterson’s (the Canadian Psychologist) rebuke of Putin and Kirill. (Google it)

Back in November – December of 2021, Shamoun put forth William Albrecht to debate Anthony Rogers on justification by faith alone, but Albrecht keeps stalling and seemingly does not want to debate. I was disappointed that the debate did not take place on June 20, 2022. Anthony Rogers is giving William Albrecht until October 31, 2022 to debate. (according to one of the recent videos that I watched of Anthony’s) To get all the details, you would have to listen to all of Anthony’s series on Galatians and the back and forth since that time. I have a full time ministry with Iranian Christians, all former Muslims, and teaching them the Bible, Theology, hermeneutics, church history, apologetics, etc. in their language, Farsi; so therefore, it is very difficult to keep up with all the details of these 2-3-4 hour YouTube podcasts by both Anthony and to see what Shamoun is saying or what William Albrecht is saying on his podcasts. Watching Sam Shamoun is generally a waste of time, but sometimes I have to check him out, to see what is going on.

Sam Shamoun also got Robert Sungenis (another Roman Catholic) and Perry Robinson (Eastern Orthodox) to do some YouTube lectures to try and refute Anthony Rogers and the Protestant Reformation. (Back in November-December of 2021) I actually stayed up until 3:15am and watched and listened to Perry Robinsons 5+ hour lecture response to Anthony Rogers. (December 11, 2021) (too much to try and cover in this post. I hope someday to understand it fully. A lot of Perry’s response depends on knowledge of Greek philosophy, Plotinus, Neo-Platonism as the background for Marius Victorinus’ commentary on Galatians. (and also Ephesians) I confess I don’t understand enough of those subjects to interact at this point. Staying up that late exhausted me, and ruined the next day for me. I want to go back and take more notes, and comprehend better, but I have not had time to devote to it again.

Then later,

Sam and Perry also brought an E. Orthodox guy named Qai to do a video. (April 12, 2022)

In the video with Perry Robinson and Qai, I just want to highlight a few things:

There is no healing apart from repentance.

  1. Overall, Qai and Perry did a much better job than Sam does, by sticking to argumentation, although they criticize Anthony for not engaging them, but they forget that from the beginning, Anthony has clearly said that he was going to debate William first, then deal with their arguments! But William keeps delaying the debate! Sam Shamoun admitted he needs healing from his “fight-back”, angry (pugnacious), vengeful nature. (minute 7:23, video from April 12, 2022) But Sam, the only way to find healing is by real repentance. There is no healing without repentance. And there is no repentance without the Spirit of God’s working in the heart to give the power to repent. (Acts 5:31; 11:16-18; Acts 16:14; 2 Timothy 2:22-24; 2 Corinthians 4:6; John 6:44, 6:65) Maybe he has repented of his pugnaciousness and vengeance and dirty talk and cussing and insults in the past 3 months. I just watched (what a waste of time, but I did it, in order to catch up and be able to document things) some of one of his recent videos (on Sola Scriptura and the Eucharist – July 28, 2022), and wow, he is still cursing and insulting and bullying every one who disagrees with him and who tries to challenge him. I have not had time to listen to much beyond that one. I do appreciate that Sam seemed to show some sign of humility and brokenness and he is trying hard to overcome all his problems. (in the video with Qai and Perry Robinson) He prays a lot at the beginning of his videos, with prayers like this: “Lord over come my flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit”, etc. He honestly seems to be “trying” (passionate and repetitious prayers on every video to overcome sin, lusts, gluttony, etc.) , but not understanding the gospel of grace, since he now rejects the Protestant Reformation in favor of an external system (including prayers to Mary) and yet staying in abeyance between the 4 so called “apostolic churches”. He repeats this sentiment a lot: “Lord, keep me from becoming what I hate”) By repeating that so much, does that indicate that he actually has become like what he hates? He seems to be trying hard to overcome his problems. He has lost a lot of weight and that is good, as he talks about his bondage to food. Good. I commend him for that. But is his “trying” human efforts without the power of the Holy Spirit? (see Galatians 3:1-5 – “having begun by the Spirit, are you now perfected by the flesh?” He was praying to Mary for a while on his videos; but as far as I can tell, he does not do that recently. ( I admit I have not listened to very much of Sam Shamoun in the last 3 months, as he is, for the most part, really a waste of my time. That is why it took me so long just to make this blog entry. I have spent enough time on him just doing this post. Sam: staying in abeyance between these 4 external churches, for so many months, reminds me of: “How long will you go on limping between two opinions?” (1 Kings 18:21) [yet the Eastern Orthodox Churches anathematize the Assyrian Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox Churches (Coptic Church, Armenian Church, Syrian Jacobite Church) ) As the apostle says to the Galatians, “I am amazed that you so quickly left Christ and left the true gospel for something else”.  (my paraphrase) – “I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel” (Galatians 1:6) I really do pray for Sam Shamoun regularly, he has a lot of good material and information on Islam and apologetic material, when he sticks to the texts and reason and argumentation. (the good material is especially at the answering-islam.org site. (started by Jochen Katz, a German brother) His new blog, “answering Islam blog” has some of his older material vs. Islam, but also lots of material that is promoting the claims of the Roman Catholics and other more ancient churches that claim to be apostolic – on Mary, Eucharist, baptism, quotes from early church fathers, etc.) I have told him this (about his good material) many times, at first privately by emails, since 2012. But his anger and pugnaciousness, dirty language, etc. when Muslims fight back, especially against Muslims and anyone who disagrees with him makes him a bad witness. I pray the Lord will show him the greatness of the true gospel and let the love of Christ flood his heart. He has changed religions several times over the years. He grew up in the Assyrian Church of the East. I remember in one of his debates against a Muslim, he admitted he was persuaded or tempted for a while by the racist Islamic sect “The Nation of Islam”. (Wow !) That is amazing that anyone could be deceived by that wicked cult (Elijah Muhammad, Lois Farakkan, etc.) He was a part of fundamentalists Baptists groups for a while and read “Jack Chick tracts”. How many different fundamentalist Baptist or other Evangelical churches did he leave over the years? I did see another recent program where he and the Roman Catholic guy were trying to make the case that Colossians 1:24 indicate our sufferings contribute to our salvation. Many Roman Catholics use this verse in their apologetic for Purgatory. My friend Rod Bennett did just that – he used Colossians 1:24 as a proof text for suffering in Purgatory. It is amazing to me, since this verse in context is talking about our sufferings when we evangelize and preach the gospel and spread the truth to people and cultures and areas not yet evangelized – not purgatory!! Sam does not take the sufferings that the Muslims dish out to him in the way that the NT commends to us – he responds in anger and fighting back and name-calling. He is doing the very opposite that the apostle Paul was communicating in Colossians 1:24-25 and context. There is nothing lacking in the power or value or merit in Christ’s sufferings/ afflictions/ atonement. (Hebrews 10:10-14; Romans 3:21-26; 1 Corinthians chapters 1-2; Galatians 2:21) The only thing lacking is in evangelism, in suffering for righteousness sake by turning the other cheek and being humble. Sam admitted that Qai turned the other cheek and was acting like Jesus, when Qai rebuked Sam for the Nestorianism doctrines in the Assyrian Church of the East. The “lack” that Paul is talking about in Col. 1:24 is suffering humbly without fighting back, in evangelism and missions to the Muslim world (and others: Hindus, Buddhists, Tribal peoples, Chinese, and atheists / secularists, or with western secularists / leftists, cultists like Mormons, etc. or those who think they are Christians by their baptism or church going (if they respond with anger and name calling) – the apostle Paul says the only thing lacking in Christ’s sufferings are the presentation of those sufferings in evangelism to those who have not heard the gospel yet.

2. In the April 12 video, Qai and Perry began their prayer towards the end (at the 2:26:00 mark) of the video to Mary, the Theotokos. That was very telling. “thee we magnify” “O Theotokos”, etc. Now, Protestants can agree that Mary is Theotokos – “the one who bears God and gave birth to God” (that Jesus is God, the eternal Son, Word, 2nd person of the Trinity) – Jesus was always God in the womb of Mary (Luke 1:34-35); in fact both God and man, the “God-man”. That Jesus was God from conception (Matthew 1:18-21 and the creeds: “conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary”) points to His pre-existence in eternity past. (John 1:1-5; 17:5; Philippians 2:5-8) But the church after the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD took that principle about Christ too far and began to make the title more about Mary than about Jesus Christ and His Deity. Eventually, more and more prayers to Mary and praises of Mary with icons and later, statues in the west, became the common piety among both the eastern church and the western church. Even Allan Ruhl, a Roman Catholic who I frequently ask questions and debate with on Twitter, admitted that there is no doubt that after 431 AD, piety and prayers to Mary, and doctrines about Mary really took off and increased. This is just wrong and unBiblical to pray to Mary. This is another example of the externalism and ritualism that eclipses true heart religion. The prayers to Mary, along with the icons and statures, praises to Mary, doctrines of Co-Redemptrix, Co-Mediatrix, Advocate, and also the dogmas (at the 2nd Council of Constantinople in 533 AD – Perpetual Virginity of Mary, 1854- Immaculate Conception of Mary, 1950 – Bodily Assumption of Mary) all together eclipse heart-faith in Christ alone. They over-exalted Mary beyond the revelation and content in the New Testament. Qai and Perry’s prayer violates Matthew 6:9 and Luke 11:1-2.

“Whenever you pray, pray in this way, “Our Father . . . ” (see Matthew 6:9-10 and Luke 11:1-2)

Obviously, because the Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, there is nothing wrong with praying to the Son or to the Holy Spirit, but there is something wrong with praying to Mary and her icons and statues of her.

Eventually, after Mary, Qai did pray to Jesus and the Trinity, but it is truly amazing to begin prayer to Mary, mixing her into prayer to God. There is no objective way to distinguish between latria (worship) and dulia and hyperdulia. Even the apostle John was rebuked for worshiping and bowing down to an angel. (Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9) See my other articles on Mariology and Mariolatry and Roman Catholic false doctrines and practices.

3. Qai and Perry are right, as far as I know, about the quotes that were thought to be from Jerome about justification by faith alone – they are actually from Pelagius. I am not a scholar, but try to study Patristics and check quotes and context as much as time will allow me. And I can answer their question that they proposed to Protestant scholars who are trained in historical theology, such as Michael Horton, Kim Riddlebarger, R. Scott Clark, Robert Godfrey (all 4 are Reformed/Presbyterian) and Rod Rossenblat (Lutheran): “Did Pelagius teach the Reformation doctrine of justification by faith alone?” – my answer: No. R. Scott Clark agreed that Pelagius did not teach the Reformation doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone – I agree that Pelagius did not teach justification by faith alone as understood by the Protestant Reformers. Augustine certainly did not think that Pelagius was correct on grace, salvation, and free-will vs. the bondage of the will. Since Pelagius was wrong on grace and the bondage of the will, and justification by faith alone is based on Grace Alone, then Pelagius meant something else. What Pelagius meant, is another long discussion that I don’t even know if I could figure out at this point. One of the best books on Augustine and his views on grace, salvation, free-will, and faith – is Nick Needham’s compilation: The Triumph of Grace: Augustine’s writings on Salvation. (Grace Publications, 2000) Reading that should convince anyone that Pelagius did not have the Reformation doctrines of grace, free-will, faith, salvation.

Perry has an extensive article at his blog/web-site, “Energetic Procession”, demonstrating the quotes are not from Jerome, but from Pelagius. He also links to the R. Scott Clark audio where he answers Perry’s question – around 48 minute mark to the end. One of the frustrating realities of church history is that the Roman Catholic Church claimed forgeries for centuries to bolster its claim on the Papacy. (Donation of Constantine, Transitus literature on Mary, and others) Another problem is that academia over the years is finding out that many more other writings were forgeries or given the wrong author. Some of the quotes said from Jerome, were in the Migne collections of Greek and Latin Patrology original sources. Recently, the scholars have realized these are from Pelagius. There are many other forgeries and recensions. One thinks of how Ignatius’ original 7 letters where expanded in the 4th century beyond, and many other writings.

4. Qai and Perry asked Anthony, “why now?” (Why are you confronting Sam on his behavior and anger just now, why not before when he was Evangelical?) – why did you not confront Sam earlier? I don’t know the details of if or when or what Anthony may have said to Sam, (or David Wood or Vocal Malone, or anyone else, if they tried to help Sam Shamoun during those years.) It seems that they were trying to be patient and understand his problems as part of the sanctification process. After all, no one is perfect, and we continue to battle the flesh and sin until the day we die. Maybe they tried to help him, but it seems Sam refused to listen or change. What I know is that I tried to appeal to Sam privately since 2012 by email about his methods and behavior and anger and insults and pugnaciousness, but he never listened and in fact always turned on me with insults, and uses bullying and manipulation tactics, and attacked me and claimed he was right and was acting like the prophets and apostles and Jesus, who called the Pharisees snakes and they all sometimes called heretics names, and mocked them, etc. Sorry Sam, but you are no prophet nor apostle.

About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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