Responses to Andy Stanley and his statement that “the Bible is not the foundation of the Christian Faith” and other issues

http://michaeljkruger.com/is-the-bible-foundational-to-christianity-engaging-with-andy-stanley/

http://www.albertmohler.com/2016/09/26/bible-tells-biblical-authority-denied/

Response from Denny Burk.

Dr. James White spend several Dividing Line programs responding to Andy Stanley. (usually along with other issues.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Update:  ( I have been busy and added the update on October 14, 2016)

Andy Stanley responded to a lot of the controversy he generated here.  (It was good to see a clear statement of Inerrancy from him.)

Denny Burk has a good synopsis and points out what is good in Andy’s response, but what is still lacking and weak in Andy’s response.

(Andy still thinks that the Bible does not have authoritative power to change someone’s heart; that is, one has to avoid talking about the Bible as God’s word until much later; after using human methods of seeking to convince people.  As Denny Burk points out, he is dividing apologetics from the inherent authority that God’s word has in it. )

Below is some of what Denny Burk wrote.  See the full context at the link above.

Stanley’s argument assumes that the Bible’s effectiveness somehow relies on its plausibility to sinners. It assumes that unbelief dissolves the Bible’s authority. But we must simply point out that the Bible is not like other religious books. If the Bible is God’s word, it has an intrinsic power that the Koran does not.

Stanley’s approach functionally divides God’s authority from His word. If the Bible is “God-breathed,” then it bears the authority of God himself (2 Tim. 3:16). When the Bible speaks, God speaks. If the Bible is God’s very own word, then the Bible has a self-authenticating power that breaks through unbelief even before all the apologetic questions are answered. It has a self-authenticating power that cannot be nullified by any argument from skeptics.

We do apologetics because we love our neighbor and because we want to remove stumbling blocks. But we don’t do apologetics because we think the authority of almighty God depends on it. It doesn’t. God’s word can break through to the coldest heart with its very own self-authenticating authority.

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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8 Responses to Responses to Andy Stanley and his statement that “the Bible is not the foundation of the Christian Faith” and other issues

  1. θ says:

    The Gospel is necessary to tell what is the least requirement to attain salvation. The Gospel is not a good news unless it is a source for salvation. The good news of the Gospel is Soteriology (knowledge of salvation), not Christology.
    In three Synoptic Gospels, the story of Zacchaeus confirms that even a mere intention of giving the generous charity can bring salvation for him. Also a story of Lasarus and the rich man confirms that a prolonging patience in the trial of poverty brings a poor man directly into Paradise. In John’s Gospel, it is made even more easier than ever: the belief in the one true God who sent Jesus and hearing his words shall give salvation, per John 5:24.
    There’s no requirement whatsoever for a faith in the crucifixion. No necessary faith in lordship of Jesus. Calling Jesus Lord, Lord doesn’t add something.

    • Ken Temple says:

      You are wrong; faith in the atonement of Christ and His resurrection from the dead is essential.

      Romans 3:21-26
      Mark 10:45
      Romans 10:9-10

      and many other passages.

      All four gospels, by their focus on the cross and resurrection and everything else leading to that – are saying the cross and resurrection is necessary. Whole chapters are devoted to this.

      • θ says:

        Paul confirms that the death or blood or ransom of Jesus doesn’t atone sin. It proves that Jesus’ crucifixion doesn’t achieve anything. Nevertheless we Moslems and Christians believe that Jesus is mortal.
        1Cor 15:17
        And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

  2. θ says:

    Requirement of least salvation is on Jesus’ words from God, not on the written Gospel of men, not on Paul’s epistles.
    John.5:24
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    • Ken Temple says:

      Paul’s epistles are God-breathed, and also the words / Word of Jesus. The whole NT is God-breathed and the Word of Jesus and the Father.
      John 17:8
      John 17:17
      2 Tim. 3:16-17

      • θ says:

        “Ken Temple says: Paul’s epistles are God-breathed, and also the words / Word of Jesus. The whole NT is God-breathed and the Word of Jesus and the Father.”

        Yes, That’s why now you and other Christians can dismiss any importance whatsoever of Jesus’ crucifixion for atonement of sin.
        1Cor 15:17
        And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

  3. Debora Mann says:

    Thank you Ken, for your insight and sharing re: the travesty of apostate teaching by Andy Stanley. In my humble opinion, his false teaching/conversations, whatever, has gone on far TOO LONG. He’s taking more and more people down the broad road. Twenty yrs. ago, I remember when he started North Point. At that time, if memory serves, he was seemingly on the right track. Sadly, over time, he’s listened to satan’s lies. I grew up near the beach in FL. Well remember the undertow, getting out beyond the waves. I see this analogy with Andy, these events have taken place in his life spiritually.

    I’m glad to see people like Dr. White, Dr. Mohler and others, with strong discernment writing their articles. Many others (as you know) have been very straightforward in exposing the blasphemy

    However, for various reasons, many coddle Andy’s “ministry” and defend his being misguided. Not Good! I pray for him, that he’d do his first works over and get right with God. At this point, he has God at a far distance, like the undertow. I pray for Dr. Charles Stanley. How grievous this is all for him.

    You may not want to post this and that’s fine. But, wanted to share some things from a lay person’s heart. Have been a Christian since 1969. I never imagined! I’d live to see the day of this untoward generation, rebellious, lawlessness, perverted et al. Come Quickly, Lord Jesus,
    Come.

  4. Ken Temple says:

    Thanks Debora!
    We should also pray for Andy. His motives are good – but the methods are bad and unBiblical.

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