How did Allah’s Makr (scheme, plotting, trickery, deception) doom the enemies of Christ (The Jews), when the disciples who believed in Him and His death and Deity, became the victorious ones? (in contrast to Islamic claims)

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وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

“and they plotted/schemed/tricked/deceived, and Allah schemed, and Allah is the best schemer/ trickster / deceiver.”

Qur’an Surah 3:54

  1. “Is Allah able to sin or do an injustice?”

    so God makes it seem to the enemy that they are winning and their evil plan is succeeding , but then it dooms them. so when God made it seem like they are winning was He doing sin? no He wasn’t .

  2. How did it doom them [ The Jews, since the result was the Christians became dominant and believed in Jesus Death and Deity] when those disciples and followers of Jesus really believed Jesus died on the cross, was buried, and then rose from the dead, and the Qur’an says that they (the disciples of Jesus) became the uppermost فوق ، , superior, victorious, and manifest ظاهرین ? They grew for over 300 years under persecution and then won over the Roman Empire – who did it doom them? They believed in the cross, atonement, resurrection, Son of God, God the Son, the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, etc.

    إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

    Surah 3:55 (right after 3:54 – they plotted / schemed / tricked / deceived, and Allah plotted / schemed, and Allah is the best trickster / schemer.” etc.

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
    [Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

    Surah 61:14 –

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ كَمَا قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ لِلْحَوَارِيِّينَ مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللَّهِ ۖ فَآمَنَت طَّائِفَةٌ مِّن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَكَفَرَت طَّائِفَةٌ ۖ فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا عَلَىٰ عَدُوِّهِمْ فَأَصْبَحُوا ظَاهِرِينَ

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
    O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah , as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah ?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah .” And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant. ظاهرین = manifest, obvious

     

    Addendum:  December 4, 2016

In answering the Muslim’s continued attempt to explain away Surah 61:14 and 3:55.

We have this word in Farsi also, ظاهر – “obvious”, “manifest”, “clear”. (the plural is in the Qur’an, ظاهرین – Zahereen, “the manifest ones”.)  The problem with your analysis is that when both Surah 61:14 and 3:55 are studied together, 3:55 uses another word, Foq فوق , which we also have, “above”, “high”, “uppermost”, “superior”, etc. – it becomes clear that the Qur’an teaches that the original disciples of Jesus became the most numerous ones, the dominant and obvious and manifest ones, and history shows theses are the followers of Jesus who preached the gospel in the first century, wrote the NT books from around 45 AD to 96 AD; believed in the atonement, crucifixion, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus; believed that He was the eternal Son, the eternal Word who became human and was born of the virgin Mary, and they believed in His Deity, Lordship, Messiahship, and His Kingdom and ascension into heaven; and His Deity, with the Deity of the Holy Spirit, and the Oneness of God (God is One, Mark 12:29; 1 Timothy 2:5) all provided the basis for the formulation of the Doctrine of the Trinity. (Matthew 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14)

Peter, James, John, Paul, Barnabas all agreed with each other in doctrine from the beginning.

The Apostle Paul wrote, around 48-49 AD, right before the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:

7 “But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), 9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas (Peter) and John, who werereputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They only asked us to remember the poor—the very thing I also was eager to do.”

Galatians 2:7-10 (my emphasis)

Peter, James, John, Paul and Barnabas all agreed with each other at the Council of Jerusalem in 50 AD – Acts 15, which took place a little after Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians. (around 49 AD)

see Also answer to another comment:

no; the weight of evidence in both Ayehs in the Qur’an (3:55 and 61:14) along with history and Christian theology proves you and the Qur’an are wrong, since those 2 Ayehs contradict the claims of Islam makes about itself in regard to the Deity of Christ, the cross and resurrection and the doctrine of the Trinity. Those 2 verses prove the followers of Jesus were those who affirmed the Death and Resurrection, Deity of Christ, and Trinity.

Even Yusuf Ali, the translator and commentator on one of the most widely used English translations of the Qur’an, on page 1742 in the footnote on Surah 61:14 says:

after noting that enemies of Christ (The Jews, who plotted, schemed, deceived, etc. and thought they crucified Al Masih, 4:157, 3:54) were defeated, “Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus in 70 AD, and the Jews been scattered ever since. . . . On the other hand, those who followed Jesus permeated the Roman Empire, brought many new races within their circle, and throughout the Roman Empire, Christianity became the dominant religion of the world until the advent of Islam.”

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About Ken Temple

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who has been saved by the grace of God alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), through faith alone (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28; 4:1-16), in Christ alone (John 14:6). But a true faith does not stay alone, it should result in change, fruit, good works, and deeper levels of repentance and hatred of my own sins of selfishness and pride. I am not better than you! I still make mistakes and sin, but the Lord is working on me, conforming me to His character. (Romans 8:28-29; 2 Corinthians 3:16-18) When I do sin, I hate the sin as it is an affront to God, and seek His forgiveness in repentance. (Mark 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:7-10; Colossians 3:5-16 ) Praise God for His love for sinners (Romans 5:8), shown by the voluntary coming of Christ and His freely laying down His life for us (John 10:18), becoming flesh/human (John 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8), dying for sins of people from all nations, tribes, and cultures (Revelation 5:9), on the cross, in history, rising from the dead (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 28, Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24; John 20-21; 1 Corinthians chapter 15). His resurrection from the dead proved that Jesus is the Messiah, the eternal Son of God, the word of God from eternity past; and that He was all the gospels say He was and that He is truth and the life and the way to salvation. (John 14:6)
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5 Responses to How did Allah’s Makr (scheme, plotting, trickery, deception) doom the enemies of Christ (The Jews), when the disciples who believed in Him and His death and Deity, became the victorious ones? (in contrast to Islamic claims)

  1. θ says:

    Islam is still the ongoing way of Allah in purifying the status of Jesus. The primary group that follows (literally gathering behind) Jesus will be the elect angels.
    Q.3, v.55 When Allah said, O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

    The phrase of “those who follow thou” includes Jesus certainly – lest they don’t follow him – so he shall come down again from heaven to punish the unbelievers.

    For Q.61, v.14, literally, the Ebionites (Christian Judaisers) have been dominant in the early Christianity. James succeeded to force Paul of Tarsus to follow the Law orderly, even the Oral Law of Moses.
    Q.61, v.14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, Who are my supporters for Allah ? The disciples said, We are supporters of Allah. And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant.

    Figuratively, Allah supports the Unitarian argument by making the Biblical verse quite difficult for Christians to claim two divinities of Jesus and the Spirit, but rather convoluted them with more other divinities of false gods.
    Hence, the Unitarian argument of the Bible becomes much dominant over the Binitarianism, the Oneness Pentecostalism, and last but not least the Trinity.

    • Ken Temple says:

      No, the disciples of Jesus became dominant – that means the first Jewish Christians – Peter, John, James, Matthew, Mark, Barnabas, Paul, etc. and the second century believers onward from all nations. The dominant ones were the ones who believed Jesus is the eternal Son of God; the word of God, who became a human, His Deity, and His death and resurrection, etc.

      Your view has to skip 600 years until later. the disciples of Jesus grew and became dominant – meaning Christianity and the doctrine of the Trinity and the gospel message of the NT conquered the Roman Empire by love and truth.

      The Problem with your answer is that the Jewish disciples all believed in the death and atonement of Christ on the Cross, His burial, His resurrection; His Lordship; His Deity, and His Lordship and Deity, with the Deity of the Holy Spirit (which Peter said in Acts 5:3-5) led to the doctrine of the Trinity.
      Ignatius was a student of Peter, and Ignatius wrote that “Jesus is God” about 9 times in his 7 letters.(around 107-110 AD) – this is Trinitarian basics. They became the dominant ones immediately in history from first century onward – the Ebionites died out and were not dominant. The disciples of Jesus rejected the Ebionites as heretics. So, the Qur’an in 3:55 and 61:14 contracts Islam itself, as it affirms the disciples of Jesus becoming the dominant ones who eventually won over the Roman Empire.

  2. Ken Temple says:

    Most of the NT books are mentioned as inspired and authoritative by Irenaeus (writing around 180-200 AD) and Tertullian (190-220 AD) and Clement of Alexandria ( 215 AD). The Christian writers before then, that we have extant (100-200 AD), also mentioned many of the NT books; but they did not write as much as Irenaeus and Tertullian.

    Justin Martyr, Polycarp (1 or 2 letters), Ignatius (7 short letters), Papias (5 volumes of writings but only some fragments survive), Clement of Rome ( 1 letter) , Hermas, Didache (maybe as early as 70 AD, and Didache quotes Matthew 28:19 – “baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”) are older documents but smaller in volume, so they did not have as much material in order to know how much of the NT they had in front of them. Justin seems fully aware of John in his statements about the Logos (Word, John 1:1; 1:14) and the “memoirs of the apostles”, etc.

  3. Ken Temple says:

    The Christians responded by love and truth usually and perseverance (not always, but overall, they were a good witness), they took care of widows, the poor, slaves, fought against abortion and infanticide, and had a high moral ethical code and affirmed the Shema of Judaism (all Trinitarians believe the Shema is true and the Trinitarian doctrine is in harmony with the Shema – “God is One”. ) These things eventually won over the Empire so that Constantine converted (whether it was totally sincere, who knows; God knows the heart) and in 312-313 AD (Edict of Milan in 313 AD) made the decision to not persecute Christians anymore.

    Shows how they became the dominant ones from 70 AD onward into the 400s AD.

  4. Ken Temple says:

    James did not “force” Paul to do something. But James and Peter agreed with Paul and Barnabas in Acts 15.

    Acts 21 led to Paul getting arrested, and the rest of Acts chapters 22-28 demonstrates his trials and going to Rome.

    James wrote that Jesus is “the glorious Lord” – James 2:1, so he is also in agreement with the apostles Paul and Peter.

    The Apostle Paul wrote, around 48-49 AD, right before the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:

    7 “But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), 9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas (Peter) and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They only asked us to remember the poor—the very thing I also was eager to do.”

    Galatians 2:7-10 (my emphasis)

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