This article claims that John 5:46 is wrong; and that Jesus did not say it; and that Moses did not write about the coming Messiah Jesus.
Yet Jesus Himself said that Moses DID write and predict Him.
John 5:46
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
Moses wrote the book of Genesis
Moses wrote this, since Moses wrote the book of Genesis also, along with the law in Exodus – Deuteronomy; which was God’s promise to Abraham, after he was tested and obeyed, by being willing to give up / sacrifice his only unique son:
“And through your offspring, all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” (Genesis 22:18).
Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his own son (Genesis 22:2, 12) is a prophetic foreshadowing of God the Father’s willingness to give His only unique Son. (John 3:16)
The substitution of the innocent animal is also a prophetic foreshadowing of the substitutionary death of the Messiah, which even the Qur’an agrees with the ransom / substitution aspect of it (Surah 37:107), even though it also tries to deny the principle (Surah 22:37)
This promise to Abraham and his seed was a further development from:
Genesis 3:15 – the seed of woman that would crush the serpent’s head (defeat Satan)
Genesis 12:3 – “and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed”
Genesis 18:18
Genesis 22:18 (above) – “through you and your seed, all the nations of the earth will be blessed”
Genesis 26:4
Genesis 28:14
Genesis 49:10 – the one who comes from the seed of Judah will be the king (Messiah), who has a scepter of righteous rulership (just King) and will belong “the obedience of the peoples / nations” – that Gentiles nations will come to know the true God through the Messiah.
Galatians 3:6-8 and 3:16 shows the ultimate fulfillment is in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Deuteronomy was written by Moses!
Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 – the prophet is the same as the Messiah – which Acts 3:22-25 proves, written around 62 AD – long before Islam came 600 years late.
That the word “Messiah” is not mentioned in these passages is ok, just as NONE of the passages that the Jews today claim is about the Messiah have the word Messiah in them.
But 2 of the main ones Christians have are Psalm 2:1-12 – both Messiah and Son of God are there. And Daniel 9:24-27 – the Messiah will come, be cut off, then the re-built 2nd temple will be destroyed ( 70 AD)
Paul Williams claimed a few months ago that Isaiah 52-53 is not about the Messiah just because the word Messiah is not used there. (quoting NT professor Christopher Tucker)
Muslims, Jewish people, and even some liberal scholars claim that Isaiah 52:13-15 and 53:1-12 is not about the Messiah just because the word Messiah is not used there.
Biblical Passages Referring to the Mashiach (The Messiah) (according to modern Jews – but the word Messiah is not there)
The following passages in the Jewish scriptures are the ones that Jews consider to be messianic in nature or relating to the end of days. These are the ones that we [Jews for Judaism] rely upon in developing our messianic concept:
Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20
Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
Ezekiel 38:16
Hosea 3:4-3:5
Micah 4
Zephaniah 3:9
Zechariah 14:9
Daniel 10:14
If you want to know how Jews interpret the passages that Christians consider to be messianic, see Jews for Judaism, a counter-missionary organization not associated with this website, especially their article about Christian Proof-Texting.”
My (Ken) Response:
Mark says “the Son of Man must suffer” (Mark 8:31) (see also Mark 9:31 – they will kill him”; Mark 10:33-34
33 saying, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and will hand Him over to the Gentiles. 34 They will mock Him and spit on Him, and scourge Him and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again.”
What OT (Tanakh) texts do Jews today consider to be Messianic?
Again: (But notice Isaiah 11 – a key Messianic text – verse 1 speaks of the root and branch of Jesse – David’s father and uses a word that is probably what Matthew 2:23 is referring to. (see extensive documentation here.)
So, “Nazareth” describes Jesus being rejected by the Jews. Isaiah 14:19 – “like a rejected branch” = כְּנֵצֶר נִתְעָב כ = like נצר = NZR, Nazer, branch נתעב = rejected, despised Isaiah 11:1 – “then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse (father of David); and a branch (Nazer – נצר ) from his roots will bear fruit.” (see rest of Isaiah 11:1-10 – a very Messianic passage in the Jews minds. This is referred to in Acts 13:22-23; and Isaiah 11:10 is quoted in Romans 15:12)
The following passages in the Jewish scriptures are the ones that Jews consider to be messianic in nature or relating to the end of days. These are the ones that we rely upon in developing our messianic concept:
Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20
Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
Ezekiel 38:16
Hosea 3:4-3:5
Micah 4
Zephaniah 3:9
Zechariah 14:9
Daniel 10:14
Me: NONE of them have the word “Messiah” in them.
From:
http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
The New Testament calls Jesus “the Monogenes” (“the only unique Son” or “one of a kind” or “only begotten” Son)
Hebrews 11:17 calls Isaac Abraham’s “monogenes” son (only unique, one of a kind, the old translations say “only begotten).
Since Ishmael was also a son of Abraham, but not the one whom the covenant promise was to come through (Genesis chapter 16; 17:19-21), in that sense Isaac is the “only son”, the unique one, the monogenes – the word used of Jesus in John 3:16; John 1:14; John 1:18; John 3:18, 1 John 4:9.
Exodus was also written by Moses
Also the Passover Lamb was about Jesus.
Exodus 12
John 1:29
1 Corinthians 5:7
Moses wrote Exodus, so Moses wrote about Jesus the future Messiah.
Isaiah 53 continued that trajectory in prophecy.
There are many problems with the claim that Isaiah 52:13-15 through 53:1-12 “has nothing to do with Jesus”.
The main problem with the Islamic claim here, is that you are using later Jewish interpretations which are reactions to the fact that 2nd temple Judaism was destroyed in 70 AD and further decimated in 135 AD at the Bar Kokhba rebellion when some Jews came back militarily to fight the pagan Romans who had destroyed the temple and they were led by a guy who many Jews claimed to be Messiah (Simon Bar Kokhba), because he was doing militarily what they were expecting Jesus to do earlier, but Jesus was crucified.
The Bar Kokhba revolt (Hebrew: מֶרֶד בַּר כּוֹכְבָא; Mered Bar Kokhba) was a rebellion of the Jews of the Roman province of Judea, led by Simon bar Kokhba, against the Roman Empire. Fought circa 132–136 CE,[4] it was the last of three major Jewish–Roman wars, so it is also known as The Third Jewish–Roman War or The Third Jewish Revolt. Some historians also refer to it as the Second Revolt[5] of Judea, not counting the Kitos War (115–117 CE), which had only marginally been fought in Judea. (from the Wikipedia article)
So, the earlier interpretation of Isaiah 52:13 (My servant) to Isaiah 53:12 (verse 11 – My servant will justify the many”, verse 12 – He bore the sin of many”, etc.)
Jesus the Messiah Himself said He is that servant!!
Mark 10:45
Matthew 20:28
Mark 14:24
Matthew 26:28
Luke 22:19-20
Luke 24:25-27; 24:32; 24:39; 24:44-49 (it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer, die, rise from the dead and be preached to all the nations and this was all from the OT – Moses and the prophets, the Torah, the Psalms and the Prophets. (v. 44)
Every line from Isaiah 52:13 to 53:12 is either directly quoted or alluded to in the rest of the various 27 books of the New Testament, the true Injeel.
52:13 – “My servant” – Mark 10:45, Matthew 20:28 – “Jesus came to serve and give His life a ransom for many”
The NT is the proper interpretation of what the TaNaKh was prophesying about. (Torah, Nabi’im (prophets) and Khetovim (holy writings, wisdom literature, Psalms, poetic books, some historical books).
Islam, by calling Jesus “the Messiah” Al Masih المسیح , unknowingly confirms this, and Rejects the Rabbinical interpretations of trying to deny that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah. Islam also unknowingly confirms this by also confirming that the previous Scriptures are God’s word, sent down by God, guidance and light, and were still with the Jews and the Christians at the time of Muhammad – ie, they were NOT corrupted.
Another of David Wood’s recent videos confirms this – the logic and reason and argumentation simply destroys Islam and proves that it is wrong, and that the NT is the proper Jewish interpretation of the TaNaKh.
He demonstrates decisively why Surah 2:79 does not show that the Injeel nor the Torah was corrupted at the time of Muhammad.
So, your article on “Crucifixion 3 – the prophets” is completely demolished.
The Qur’an says the Disciples of Jesus are believers in God, faithful, and were victorious over their enemies (Surah 3:52-55; 6:14)
Also, Islam even says that the view of the NT Jews, the writers of the NT, the disciples of Jesus and their helpers (like Luke for Paul, Barnabas, Silas (possible writers of Hebrews), Mark for Peter, etc.) – they were believers and full of integrity and became the uppermost and dominant and obvious / manifest ones. (Surah 3:54-55 and 61:14)
David Wood’s excellent video on Surah 2:79 and much more, which proves the Qur’an never says that the text of the previous Scriptures (OT and NT, the true Injeel) was changed:
Addendum: May 1, 2020
Jesus Himself, the Messiah, Al Masih said that the Law, the Prophets, and Psalms (Luke 24:44) are about Him (Luke 24:25-27) and His death, resurrection, and preaching to all nations (Luke 24:46-47)
God has to open your mind, just as He had to with the disciples – Luke 24:45
“then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures”
Galatians 3:6-8 and 3:16 teaches that the seed to come to bring blessing to the nations was the Messiah Jesus. (Genesis 3:15; 12:3; 18:18; 22:17-18; 26:4; 28:14; 49:10) The spiritual blessings are the doctrines of salvation, forgiveness of sins, atonement, etc. Moses wrote Genesis; Moses wrote Exodus – Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Exodus 12. Turned away the wrath / justice of God against sin. Moses wrote Deuteronomy. Acts 3:22-25 tells us clearly that Deut. 18:15-18 is Jesus the Messiah. Moses wrote Numbers; the star to come out of Jacob was about Jesus the Messiah. (Numbers 24:17) And the bronze serpent being lifted up and when people look to it, it is symbol / type of the coming Messiah – see Numbers 21:9 and John 3:10-16). Moses wrote Leviticus. The whole chapters on sacrifices and blood atonement for sacrifices and day of atonement is all about the ultimate sacrifice for sin – Jesus Al Masih. (Leviticus chapters 1-6; 16-17) (Hebrews chapters 8-10)
Apologetics and Agape 
You article is just special pleading and evangelical spin.
According to John 5:46 Jesus said:
“If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.”
So Moses actually wrote about Jesus! This is the claim that John places on the lips of Jesus. But where is the evidence in Moses? Where does he plainly write of the One who is to come, the Incarnation of Israel’s God?
Where does Moses mention Jesus’ life, death and resurrection? Nowhere that I can see.
Exegesis does not give us the NT faith. But eisegesis definitely does! Eisegesis, as a wag once put it, is pronounced “I see Jesus”.
Thanks for your comment Paul.
It is not “evangelical spin” because the first century Jews and NT writers who accepted Jesus as the Son of God and Messiah – they are the ones who tell us the proper interpretation of the OT.
Jesus Al Masih المسیح says Himself that these are His words and that He taught the disciples these things, and He says that all three sections of the OT (Law of Moses, Prophets and Psalms / Writings all prophesied about Him and those three issues in verses 46-47 (agreeing with earlier, 24:25-27 and agreeing with John in John 5;46 and the apostle’s Paul’s writings – Galatians 3:6-8; 14-16 – Galatians 3:16 points back to the promise given to Abraham is fulfilled in the Messiah – he even makes the argument based on the singular in grammar, not the plural. (seed, not seeds) “Seed” in the promise is ultimately to one, that is Messiah.
Luke 24:44-47
Thus it is written (in the law, the prophets and the Psalms, “the things concerning Me” – verse 44 – Jesus reminded them that He taught them these things before)
that the Messiah
1. is to suffer and die
2. to rise from the dead on the 3rd day
3. That repentance for forgiveness of sins should be preached to all nations
This is the “blessing to all the nations” that Genesis 12:3, 18:18; 22:17-18; 26:4; 28:14; and 49:10 are pointing to. (also Genesis 3:15 – the seed of the woman who will crush the serpent’s head)
It is not “special pleading” since the whole trajectory of the OT and its theology of atonement and sacrifice in the tabernacle and temple, Isaiah 52-53; Daniel 9:24-27, etc. is the out folding of God’s plan of redemption, and the concept of the Messiah is also a Jewish understanding and does not require the word itself in many passages.
That Islam affirms that Jesus is the Al Masih (the Messiah) shows that the Jewish rejection of Him as Messiah is wrong. Islam by not knowing the details, being ignorant of many things, unknowingly “grabbed” onto the Virgin Birth, the Messiahship of Jesus, and His disciples (as true believers and those that will be victorious – Surah 3:52-55; 61:14), and His Injeel (message of “good news”; and without change to the text – 5:47; 5:68; 10:94) without realizing the contradiction to itself, thus proving Islam and the Qur’an is false.
Sorry, this is not a good answer.
I did not ask you to quote from the New Testament.
Here is my question again: Where does Moses mention Jesus’ life, death and resurrection?
So, ignore the NT (which had not even been written in Jesus’s day) and show me where Moses mentions Jesus’ life, death and resurrection.
Simple.
I already answered that – the first century AD is the proper Jesus interpretation of the OT, demonstrated by the NT, the true Injeel.
I don’t have to be forced to answer your question the WAY you want it answered.
No, I will not ignore the NT, since that is the true revelation of what the OT means, which Jesus Himself said. (all through what I have already written)
Islam and the Qur’an cannot skip the NT, since by affirming:
1. Jesus as Messiah
2. Virgin born
3. Sinless
4. Jesus as the Word of God – کلمه الله
5. His disciples as true and believers and victorious
6. the text of the NT – the book of the Christians as Injeel, has not be lost or corrupted,
7. The concept of substitutionary atonement is alluded to in Surah 37:107, (and in many Hadith) affirming the original meaning of Genesis 22, etc. which points to blood ransom atonement, (Passover, tabernacle, Leviticus, Temple, Isaiah 52-53; Daniel 9:24-27 [although Islam tries to deny it in 22:37, it just shows the inconsistency of the whole system of Islam in trying to tie itself to previous Monotheism revelations]
therefore, you cannot ignore the NT, since Islam ignorantly confirmed it.
FAIL.
No.
Success!
Success does not depend on your response.
2 Timothy 2:24-26 – only God can give you repentance
Acts 16:14 – God has to open your heart
Jesus also did that – Luke 24:45 – He had to open their minds to understand the Scriptures
John 6:44, 65 – You are not able to repent or believe, unless God works in your heart invisibly and mysteriously (Spiritually)
You just don’t get it. Quoting another book (the NT) is not quoting from Moses.
I actually do “get it”.
The NT is the fufillment of the OT.
Moses wrote of the promises of the seed that would come and defeat Satan and be a blessing to all nations.
You don’t get it. You don’t get Jesus Al Masih and His coming, Messiahship and proper interpretation of the OT. and you don’t get the OT either – ignoring blood atonement and ransom for forgiveness of sins, etc.
Jesus fulfilled the OT.
So no quote then.
I get it.
Bye bye.
I don’t mind interacting with your arguments when I have time.
Bye bye for now also.
Missionary Ken Temple’s embarrassing failure to answer my challenge about Moses:
It is not embarrassing at all, once someone reads all of it and understands.
No, I will not ignore the NT, since that is the true revelation of what the OT means, which Jesus Himself said. (all through what I have already written)
Islam and the Qur’an cannot skip the NT, since by affirming:
1. Jesus as Messiah
2. Virgin born
3. Sinless
4. Jesus as the Word of God – کلمه الله
5. His disciples as true and believers and victorious
6. the text of the NT – the book of the Christians as Injeel, has not be lost or corrupted,
7. The concept of substitutionary atonement is alluded to in Surah 37:107, (and in many Hadith) affirming the original meaning of Genesis 22, etc. which points to blood ransom atonement, (Passover, tabernacle, Leviticus, Temple, Isaiah 52-53; Daniel 9:24-27 [although Islam tries to deny it in 22:37, it just shows the inconsistency of the whole system of Islam in trying to tie itself to previous Monotheism revelations]
therefore, you cannot ignore the NT, since Islam ignorantly confirmed it.
Weird. What has Islam got to do with my question? Nothing. Just a diversion.
Islam has a lot to do with the issue, since you claim to be a former Christian for a while, then a Muslim (off and on) (and now are you a Muslim again or not?); and since Islam also affirms both Moses and Jesus and the previous Scriptures, and yet when there is something that condicts Islam in the previous Scriptures, you make anachronistic claims – for example, the NT sees Jesus as the fulfillment of the OT, the law, etc. – Acts 3:22-25 clearly show that Jesus the Messiah is the prophet; and Galatians 3:6-8 and 3:16 say that the promised seed to Abraham is the Messiah Jesus. Moses wrote Genesis – I already gave you verses in Genesis (the seed of woman and the Abrahamic promises), the passover lamb in Exodus, the Levitical sacrificial system, the star of Jacob in Numbers (and the bronze serpent being lifted up – John 3:10-16), Deut. 18:15-18 is Jesus – so Jesus is in all 5 books of Moses.
Islam is utterly irrelevant to the question whether Moses ever mentioned the death and resurrection of Jesus. Moses obviously did not. You are refuted. Have the good grace to be honest about it.
No, the NT is continuing the progressive revelation of the OT and explains who the blessing is from Genesis 12:3 & 3:15 & 22:17-18.
Even the Quran shows that chain, “confirming what was before it”
Surah 5:44-47
You believe what you want dude. It’s unpersuasive to those who don’t already believe it.
see my comment below.
And the NT (The true Injeel) is persuasive to me as the revelation of God and the proper understanding and interpretation of the OT.
“you believe what you want dude” – good. At least you realize that freedom – I hope.
I am so glad for the freedom to “believe what you want” of the western tradition of the past 300 years or more. Your religion does not really believe that principle. If they had their way, they would restore the Caliph and aggressively conquer all areas not submitted to the “Dar Al Islam” and keep on fighting the “Dar Al Harb”. They would not allow freedom of thought or religion or speech and punish the Christians and Jews with the Dhimmi system – which is a false and unjust system, based on Surah 9:28-30 and the Jiziye. Islam – real Islam – is a unified system that includes not just religion and spiritual issues and rituals, but also politics and society and behavior and military aggression (against pagans, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, Marxists – convert or die) and against Christians and Jews (convert or pay the Jiziye) – the whole system is unjust. They had to adjust only when they were stopped in history.
If we lived under Islamic government, etc. you would have been killed by now; since you left Islam several times, etc.
Did you go back to Islam ? or are you just a free lance “free Monotheist” who appreciates the freedom of the west, and who wants the freedom to use liberal theology to attack the Bible and Christianity, but cannot handle some aspects of Islam which you seem to realize deep down that they are not right. ?