HERE IS A QUESTION FOR JAMES WHITE AND ALL HIS FAN BOYS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO SOLA WHITIA (“SOLELY WHITE”), SO PAY ATTENTION.
Notice the snarky “Fan Boys” and “Sola Whitia” bombast buzzwords that sinfully angry Shamoun has to constantly apply in his rants and meltdowns. Just because some of us think that Dr. White’s methods are better than his, he calls us “fanboys”, trying to accuse us of “idolatry” and “man-pleasers”.
Seeing that the historical context of John’s Epistles, specifically the first and second ones, was one of proto-Gnosticisim, and therefore doesn’t speak to the modern cults of today, would you ever use the following verse to prove that Muhammad was an antichrist?
Of course we can use these verses, at the right time; but you don’t yell it at them at the beginning of trying to witness to people. All you do Shamoun is yell and get angry and go bombast and snarky on people. You should be ashamed of your bad witness. No wonder no Muslims will debate you anymore and many of them accuse you of being mentally and emotionally unstable. By your sinful behavior, name-calling, bombast, & snarky-ness, you gave them ammunition to use against yourself, unfortunately.
“Who is a liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? Whoever denies the Father and the Son is the antichrist. No one who denies the Son has the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father.” 1 John 2:22-23
Muhammad denied the Fatherhood of God and the divine Sonship of Christ (cf. Q. 5:18; 6:101; 9:30; 19:88-93; 21:26; 39:4; 72:3). However, since John was addressing the proto-Gnostic heretics, and not Muhammad and Islam, would this prove per Sola Whitia that Christians can NEVER use this passage to prove that Muhammad was an antichrist as well?
No; of course those verses applies to Muhammad and Muslims and Islamic doctrines today; but first we must / should establish an atmosphere where the Muslims will at least listen to our arguments and the gospel. Even liberal theology is an anti-Christ religion, since it denies the incarnation, the Deity of Christ, the Father and the Son, the Doctrine of the Trinity, etc. Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses too. But we should do evangelism, have hospitality, and establish an environment where we can talk about all those things in a respectful way. The proper method is not, “you cultist/demons you!” at Mormons nor at Muslims. Shamoun never seems to obey 1 Peter 3:15 nor Ephesians 4:15 because he ignores half of the verses. Shamoun totally ignores the “with gentleness and respect” part of 1 Peter 3:15 and the “speaking the truth in love” part of Ephesians 4:15. There is no love in his methods.
If you say yes then this means John’s epistles are irrelevant and have nothing to say about our current situation.
I say no; so you are just wrong. But we are talking about the timing and appropriateness of when to use those verses. Given that Dr. White explained the Deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity, he defended the doctrine of “the Father and the Son” and the incarnation in those meetings, and many many other times.
Moreover, since according to Sola Whitia 2 John 1:7-11 was dealing with proto-Gnosticism does this mean if Muhammad lived at that time John would have encouraged the house churches/assembles to invite him in, give him safe lodging, support his ministry and permit him to teach his message without ever refuting or challenging him? Can White and his fanboys answer these questions honestly without tap dancing around them?
House churches on Sundays in the first century, are different than separated public church buildings in 21st Century on a Tuesday evening which is not a worship service on Sunday (like liberals and Chrislam types do) or prayer service or teaching time (which automatically makes it totally different than first century house churches), but a planned outreach to better understand Muslims from their own perspective, build a relationship, and be able to talk to them in a respectful way without scaring them away and scaring them into their closed off communities. No one said “give them safe lodging or support Yasir Qadhi financially”. Dr. White shared the gospel, and doctrines of the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, original sin, the cross and resurrection, repentance, faith in Christ. You need to repent of your sinful anger, bad methodology, and your slander of a Christian brother.
A Biblical well taught church is suppossed to be mature enough to handle the kind of thing they did on that Tuesday evening. Especially since anyone that knows Dr. White’s years of ministry and many other debates, and the 2 debates AFTER the Yasir Qadhi dialogue, any normal believer should understand White’s position and see the good in it and see the balance of apologetics/theology/truth along with graciousness/respect/love. It is called evangelism and pre-evangelism and dialogue. The elders of that local church have every right to do that kind of outreach. Some churches would chose not do that kind of that outreach or dialogue, but that was no reason to slander and trash the whole thing.
Now for the rest of you who do not subscribe to Sola Whitia [what’s the purpose of that snark and stupid comment that is not even true, just your own bombast ?
, do you see just how stupid, desperate and wicked White’s butchering of God’s Word happens to be?
No, Dr. White did a great job of defending the truth and did it with respect and integrity and love for the Muslims; which you do not do anymore. Repent of your sinful anger, Sam.
You did a good job against Anjem Choudary in 2015, (and vs. Shabir Ally years ago, one debate) but in the comboxes and facebook comments, you have lots of sinful anger; along with your “crusade” against Dr. White in the past 6-8 months.
Also, see recent Dividing Line programs: